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| RE: Election related TV duels | la garçâ malpadert | September 14, 2005 - 18:11 | | Üc Tärfâ | September 15, 2005 - 05:46 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | September 14, 2005 - 18:11 |
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Üc Tärfâ
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Citizen #22:
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> > Social cut were needed to bring more energy to economy
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> Nonsense. The fact that the social-democratic parties worldwide - SPD, PS in France, DS in Italy, Labour Party in NZ etc - have accepted pure neo-liberal ideology like that just shows why no-one should bother voting for them any more. If the two major parties are only going to argue about how much to punish the workers, then no wonder life for so many ordinary Europeans has gone backwards.
We can rebuuild the Iron Curtain if you want... No. I can't agree with you. If the social-democratic parties worldwide realized that, it's becuase it's not possible to lead the actual world with politics, ideologies from the past because the world is changed fastly in the last years. Beeing social-democrat means keep interest of the whole population, mainly the poorer (and not only the workers) and make the system working. If the system doesn't work, too many debits, the economy is going negative, etc... something has to be done to revitalize the economy taht is the heart of a nation. As Veltroni (Major of Rome and one of the chiefs of DS, the italian social-democratic party [ex PDS, ex PCI] said "the time of the Socialist International has gone. Now it's the time to build a Democratic International". Also the PSE (European Socialist Party) is gong to modifying itself in order to represent the different parties of the new European Left. Not Socialist, not Communist but Social-Democratic, a centre-left.
> > the bombing of Serbia was a NATO decision to help Kosovo people that was going to be STERMINATED by Milosevic
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> The bombing of Serbia did nothing to help the Kosovars. In fact it encouraged the Serbs to rally around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery. I note that you're not trying to claim that Kosova is actually in a better state now as a UN protectorate. It's just now the Albanians ethnically cleanse the Serbs rather than the other way around.
Balcans it's the most dangerous region of Europe. Century of violences has leaded those people ready to do all to live in peace. After the Serbo-Croat war Sloveny Croatia Bosnia began a serene existance (Sloveny it's now part of the EU and Croatia is a Candidate Member). Milosevic was the second dictator that there was in Europe (the last is the actual White Russia President) and he caused two terrible wars. I'm surprised you said that Serbians lived better under Milosevic «encouraged the Serbs to rally around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery».
And yes, Kosova now it's ina better state because there's an international task force that has to mantain the peace. The situation is going better and better everyday.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | September 15, 2005 - 18:34 |
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Parent message | | Üc Tärfâ | September 15, 2005 - 05:46 |
| RE: Election related TV duels(#22705), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], September 15, 2005 - 18:34. Viewed 225 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> We can rebuuild the Iron Curtain if you want...
The mere fact that you are accusing me of being a Stalinist shows that it's not worth having a political argument with you. I'm from a political tradition which never supported the Iron Curtain countries - and still don't. So take that insult back.
> No. I can't agree with you. If the social-democratic parties worldwide realized that, it's becuase it's > not possible to lead the actual world with politics, ideologies from the past because the world is
> changed fastly in the last years.
If the "new world economy" means there is no alternative to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, it only shows why we need a wholly different kind of world system.
> If the system doesn't work, too many debits, the economy is going negative, etc... something has to be done to revitalize the economy taht is the heart of a nation.
And that "something" always seems to mean cutting wages or benefits. It's always the poor - and never the rich - who pay for the crisis. Why is that?
> As Veltroni (Major of Rome and one of the chiefs of DS, the italian social-democratic party [ex
> PDS, ex PCI] said "the time of the Socialist International has gone. Now it's the time to build a
> Democratic International".
The PCI was a party with many flaws, but aren't you ashamed that the modern DS really isn't different at all from Berlusconi and his fascist gangster mates? Aren't social-democrats ashamed that they've given up fighting for the poor against the rich, and instead have become beggars at the global corporate table? Aren't you afraid that the poor are one day going to decide that enough is enough and get rid of the lot of you?
> Balcans it's the most dangerous region of Europe. Century of violences has leaded those people ready to do all to live in peace. After the Serbo-Croat war Sloveny Croatia Bosnia began a serene existance (Sloveny it's now part of the EU and Croatia is a Candidate Member). Milosevic was the second dictator that there was in Europe (the last is the actual White Russia President)
> I'm surprised you said that Serbians lived better under Milosevic «encouraged the Serbs to rally
> around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery».
It is absolutely true that, before the NATO bombing, the ordinary people of Serbia hated the dictator Milosevic. And that after the NATO bombing, they began to support Milosevic more because at least he wasn't destroying their homes and livelihood.
> And yes, Kosova now it's ina better state because there's an international task force that has to mantain the peace. The situation is going better and better everyday.
Just plain wrong.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Republic of Talossa
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Üc Tärfâ | September 16, 2005 - 16:12 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | September 15, 2005 - 18:34 |
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Üc Tärfâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 10, 2008 - 08:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | >
> > We can rebuuild the Iron Curtain if you want...
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> The mere fact that you are accusing me of being a Stalinist shows that it's not worth having a political argument with you. I'm from a political tradition which never supported the Iron Curtain countries - and still don't. So take that insult back.
It wasn't an insult. Only an ironic sentence.
> > No. I can't agree with you. If the social-democratic parties worldwide realized that, it's becuase it's > not possible to lead the actual world with politics, ideologies from the past because the world is
> > changed fastly in the last years.
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> If the "new world economy" means there is no alternative to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, it only shows why we need a wholly different kind of world system.
It's not a "new world economy". It's just the same 300-years-old economy. There are alternatives and a more equal globalisation it's one of it. India and China are going richer and richer and the population is reaching itself.
> > If the system doesn't work, too many debits, the economy is going negative, etc... something has to be done to revitalize the economy taht is the heart of a nation.
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> And that "something" always seems to mean cutting wages or benefits. It's always the poor - and never the rich - who pay for the crisis. Why is that?
You need to stabilize the situation before modificate it. Old welfare states doesn't suit with the actual world. Before modificate it occurs to make it less expensive. Cut the welfare and high the taxes for the richer. This IS the difference.
> > As Veltroni (Major of Rome and one of the chiefs of DS, the italian social-democratic party [ex
> > PDS, ex PCI] said "the time of the Socialist International has gone. Now it's the time to build a
> > Democratic International".
>
> The PCI was a party with many flaws, but aren't you ashamed that the modern DS really isn't different at all from Berlusconi and his fascist gangster mates? Aren't social-democrats ashamed that they've given up fighting for the poor against the rich, and instead have become beggars at the global corporate table? Aren't you afraid that the poor are one day going to decide that enough is enough and get rid of the lot of you?
I'm not ashamed like all the people who vote social-democratic party in Europe.
> > Balcans it's the most dangerous region of Europe. Century of violences has leaded those people ready to do all to live in peace. After the Serbo-Croat war Sloveny Croatia Bosnia began a serene existance (Sloveny it's now part of the EU and Croatia is a Candidate Member). Milosevic was the second dictator that there was in Europe (the last is the actual White Russia President)
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> > I'm surprised you said that Serbians lived better under Milosevic «encouraged the Serbs to rally
> > around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery».
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> It is absolutely true that, before the NATO bombing, the ordinary people of Serbia hated the dictator Milosevic. And that after the NATO bombing, they began to support Milosevic more because at least he wasn't destroying their homes and livelihood.
Let me ask something, if they now support Milosevic, Why they didn't vote for him or for his former party who wants to bring them in Serbija and "save" him from La Hague Tribunal?
> > And yes, Kosova now it's in a better state because there's an international task force that has to mantain the peace. The situation is going better and better everyday.
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> Just plain wrong.
Funny. I don't live far from Kosova, and i know lots of people (also youngs) and i know associations who make voluntary service there. Let me say that you are wrong.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | September 15, 2005 - 18:34 |
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Parent message | | Üc Tärfâ | September 15, 2005 - 05:46 |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
(4379 posts total)
(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> We can rebuuild the Iron Curtain if you want...
The mere fact that you are accusing me of being a Stalinist shows that it's not worth having a political argument with you. I'm from a political tradition which never supported the Iron Curtain countries - and still don't. So take that insult back.
> No. I can't agree with you. If the social-democratic parties worldwide realized that, it's becuase it's > not possible to lead the actual world with politics, ideologies from the past because the world is
> changed fastly in the last years.
If the "new world economy" means there is no alternative to the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer, it only shows why we need a wholly different kind of world system.
> If the system doesn't work, too many debits, the economy is going negative, etc... something has to be done to revitalize the economy taht is the heart of a nation.
And that "something" always seems to mean cutting wages or benefits. It's always the poor - and never the rich - who pay for the crisis. Why is that?
> As Veltroni (Major of Rome and one of the chiefs of DS, the italian social-democratic party [ex
> PDS, ex PCI] said "the time of the Socialist International has gone. Now it's the time to build a
> Democratic International".
The PCI was a party with many flaws, but aren't you ashamed that the modern DS really isn't different at all from Berlusconi and his fascist gangster mates? Aren't social-democrats ashamed that they've given up fighting for the poor against the rich, and instead have become beggars at the global corporate table? Aren't you afraid that the poor are one day going to decide that enough is enough and get rid of the lot of you?
> Balcans it's the most dangerous region of Europe. Century of violences has leaded those people ready to do all to live in peace. After the Serbo-Croat war Sloveny Croatia Bosnia began a serene existance (Sloveny it's now part of the EU and Croatia is a Candidate Member). Milosevic was the second dictator that there was in Europe (the last is the actual White Russia President)
> I'm surprised you said that Serbians lived better under Milosevic «encouraged the Serbs to rally
> around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery».
It is absolutely true that, before the NATO bombing, the ordinary people of Serbia hated the dictator Milosevic. And that after the NATO bombing, they began to support Milosevic more because at least he wasn't destroying their homes and livelihood.
> And yes, Kosova now it's ina better state because there's an international task force that has to mantain the peace. The situation is going better and better everyday.
Just plain wrong.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Republic of Talossa
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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