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la garçâ malpadertSeptember 14, 2005 - 18:11
RE: Election related TV duels(#22693), posted by Üc Tärfâ, [IP Hidden], September 15, 2005 - 05:46. Viewed 205 times.
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Üc Tärfâ
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Citizen #28:
Ugo Truffelli
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> > Social cut were needed to bring more energy to economy
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> Nonsense. The fact that the social-democratic parties worldwide - SPD, PS in France, DS in Italy, Labour Party in NZ etc - have accepted pure neo-liberal ideology like that just shows why no-one should bother voting for them any more. If the two major parties are only going to argue about how much to punish the workers, then no wonder life for so many ordinary Europeans has gone backwards.

We can rebuuild the Iron Curtain if you want... No. I can't agree with you. If the social-democratic parties worldwide realized that, it's becuase it's not possible to lead the actual world with politics, ideologies from the past because the world is changed fastly in the last years. Beeing social-democrat means keep interest of the whole population, mainly the poorer (and not only the workers) and make the system working. If the system doesn't work, too many debits, the economy is going negative, etc... something has to be done to revitalize the economy taht is the heart of a nation. As Veltroni (Major of Rome and one of the chiefs of DS, the italian social-democratic party [ex PDS, ex PCI] said "the time of the Socialist International has gone. Now it's the time to build a Democratic International". Also the PSE (European Socialist Party) is gong to modifying itself in order to represent the different parties of the new European Left. Not Socialist, not Communist but Social-Democratic, a centre-left.

> > the bombing of Serbia was a NATO decision to help Kosovo people that was going to be STERMINATED by Milosevic
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> The bombing of Serbia did nothing to help the Kosovars. In fact it encouraged the Serbs to rally around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery. I note that you're not trying to claim that Kosova is actually in a better state now as a UN protectorate. It's just now the Albanians ethnically cleanse the Serbs rather than the other way around.

Balcans it's the most dangerous region of Europe. Century of violences has leaded those people ready to do all to live in peace. After the Serbo-Croat war Sloveny Croatia Bosnia began a serene existance (Sloveny it's now part of the EU and Croatia is a Candidate Member). Milosevic was the second dictator that there was in Europe (the last is the actual White Russia President) and he caused two terrible wars. I'm surprised you said that Serbians lived better under Milosevic «encouraged the Serbs to rally around the tinpot dictator Milosevic and thus probably extended their misery».

And yes, Kosova now it's ina better state because there's an international task force that has to mantain the peace. The situation is going better and better everyday.
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RE: Election related TV duelsÜc TärfâSeptember 15, 2005 - 05:46
la garçâ malpadertSeptember 15, 2005 - 18:34
Üc TärfâSeptember 16, 2005 - 16:12
la garçâ malpadertSeptember 15, 2005 - 18:34
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