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| RE: If I only Had A Seat . . . . :) | D. N. Vercáriâ | November 01, 2005 - 13:52 | | la garçâ malpadert | November 01, 2005 - 15:42 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | November 01, 2005 - 13:52 |
| There already is provision for by-elections.(#23277), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], November 01, 2005 - 15:42. Viewed 125 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > > > > Kill a deputy and force a by-election!
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> > > But don't forget to read the Eletoral Act first to see what it says in regard of by-elections, just to make sure that you're not recommending to commit a senseless crime, Herr Minister.
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> > As long as I'm not a Deputy myself, why should I ca... Ah, NOW I see. Of course, my special task in this government is to make sure the population grows, not shrinks. Right. Thanks, Deet, for keeping me in check!
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> I wanted to avoid the following embarrassing situation:
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> Attorney-General: "Citizen, why did you try to commit this terrible crime, why did you pull the trigger of your gun?"
> The Citizen: "Because I was told to do so, and because I wanted to trigger by-elections."
> The Deputies: "LOL! Yet we didn't even vote on introducing something like by-elections, so trigger right away."
Er, we do have provision for by-elections.
Constitution of the Republic, Title Two, Article One, Section 9(b) and (c):
The following powers may be exercised by the President at his own discretion:
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b) The President shall dissolve either or both Houses of Parlamînt at the times specified in Article 4 and then immediately ask the Secretary of State to conduct a general election.
c) The President may dissolve both Houses of Parlamînt at any other time, and then immediately ask the Secretary of State to conduct a by-election.
Electoral Code, Section 4.1
All provisions of this Section shall apply equally to elections to fill vacancies in the Chamber of Deputies and in the Senäts[...]
Translated out of legalese:
- The President can call a byelection whenever he wants, but only for all seats in the House - like a special general election in other words.
- Such elections are conducted by the same rules as regular elections.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Republic of Talossa
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | November 02, 2005 - 03:58 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | November 01, 2005 - 15:42 |
| RE: There already is provision for by-elections.(#23284), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], November 02, 2005 - 03:58. Viewed 112 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > Er, we do have provision for by-elections.
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> Constitution of the Republic, Title Two, Article One, Section 9(b) and (c):
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> The following powers may be exercised by the President at his own discretion:
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> b) The President shall dissolve either or both Houses of Parlamînt at the times specified in Article 4 and then immediately ask the Secretary of State to conduct a general election.
> c) The President may dissolve both Houses of Parlamînt at any other time, and then immediately ask the Secretary of State to conduct a by-election.
I wonder if this restricts us (CoD members) in our quest for rules that may allow us to deal with vacant seats, which was the kind of by-elections that I was talking about.
> Electoral Code, Section 4.1
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> All provisions of this Section shall apply equally to elections to fill vacancies in the Chamber of Deputies and in the Senäts[...]
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> Translated out of legalese:
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> - The President can call a byelection whenever he wants, but only for all seats in the House - like a special general election in other words.
> - Such elections are conducted by the same rules as regular elections.
We possibly should -carefully- inspect the by-election rule (and related sections of the constitution) for a possible amendment in the amendment committee. I wonder if it really make sense to conduct "by-elections" if a chamber of parliament is dissolved by the President; full-scale general elections might be a better solution, but that would mean that we give up on the fixed annual elections calendar.
- D. N. Vercáriâ
¡Pecüliárismeu és escasençâ - MRP!
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| | la garçâ malpadert | November 02, 2005 - 13:48 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | November 02, 2005 - 03:58 |
| RE: There already is provision for by-elections.(#23309), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], November 02, 2005 - 13:48. Viewed 113 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ |
> I wonder if this restricts us (CoD members) in our quest for rules that may allow us to deal with vacant seats, which was the kind of by-elections that I was talking about.
Yes, which is why I've gone forward with my "nomination and referendum plan" in the Chamber.
> I wonder if it really make sense to conduct "by-elections" if a chamber of parliament is dissolved by the President; full-scale general elections might be a better solution, but that would mean that we give up on the fixed annual elections calendar.
Well, that's exactly the thing. When the Constitution was being drafted M-P wanted the fixed elections calendar to be non-negotiable, but to leave provision for "by-elections" in between times. Certainly we can discuss this matter in the committee.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Republic of Talossa
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Üc Tärfâ | November 03, 2005 - 10:26 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | November 02, 2005 - 13:48 |
| Wait a minute!(#23344), posted by Üc Tärfâ, [IP Hidden], November 03, 2005 - 10:26. Viewed 113 times. |
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Üc Tärfâ
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(last post: March 10, 2008 - 08:29)
Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | >
> > I wonder if this restricts us (CoD members) in our quest for rules that may allow us to deal with vacant seats, which was the kind of by-elections that I was talking about.
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> Yes, which is why I've gone forward with my "nomination and referendum plan" in the Chamber.
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> > I wonder if it really make sense to conduct "by-elections" if a chamber of parliament is dissolved by the President; full-scale general elections might be a better solution, but that would mean that we give up on the fixed annual elections calendar.
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> Well, that's exactly the thing. When the Constitution was being drafted M-P wanted the fixed elections calendar to be non-negotiable, but to leave provision for "by-elections" in between times. Certainly we can discuss this matter in the committee.
Wait a minute! Does it mean that if the President dissolve the Parlamînt earlier, the newly electiected parlamînt doesn't live 6 months but it's dissolved in may and in september as well??
I think this is a system neither fair nor democratic... The newly elected parlamînt may be seen as a "provisional" parlamînt where not important issues are approved because it has the function to led the country towards the "regular" parlamînt. This system introduce a dangerous classification in Premier-Parlamînt and Secondary-Parlamînt. We should provide that EVERY Parlamînt if is not dissolved earlier, has to live 6 months, even if it's mean that the general election are in november or in april...
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | November 03, 2005 - 13:39 |
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Parent message | | Üc Tärfâ | November 03, 2005 - 10:26 |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > >
> > > I wonder if this restricts us (CoD members) in our quest for rules that may allow us to deal with vacant seats, which was the kind of by-elections that I was talking about.
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> > Yes, which is why I've gone forward with my "nomination and referendum plan" in the Chamber.
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> > > I wonder if it really make sense to conduct "by-elections" if a chamber of parliament is dissolved by the President; full-scale general elections might be a better solution, but that would mean that we give up on the fixed annual elections calendar.
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> > Well, that's exactly the thing. When the Constitution was being drafted M-P wanted the fixed elections calendar to be non-negotiable, but to leave provision for "by-elections" in between times. Certainly we can discuss this matter in the committee.
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> Wait a minute! Does it mean that if the President dissolve the Parlamînt earlier, the newly electiected parlamînt doesn't live 6 months but it's dissolved in may and in september as well??
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> I think this is a system neither fair nor democratic...
The reason for that is simple, it is to increase voter's participation by giving a FIXED date for elections.
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| | Üc Tärfâ | November 03, 2005 - 15:14 |
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Parent message | | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | November 03, 2005 - 13:39 |
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Üc Tärfâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 10, 2008 - 08:29)
Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > The reason for that is simple, it is to increase voter's participation by giving a FIXED date for elections.
If a Parlamînt is supposed to lives 6 months, the date for elections is then fixed 5 and an half months before the election starts. Sufficient fixed.
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