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Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 03, 2005 - 13:20
My peculiarist objections to your derivatist opinions.(#23359), posted by Üc Tärfâ, [IP Hidden], November 03, 2005 - 15:55. Viewed 118 times.
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how the institution af a Talossan Marriage could assure people to not being >discriminated more than the Constitution does?

Yes, href="http://www.talossa.com/const.html#518">Article Four states that people shall be free of >descrimination and so on. But what exactly does that mean in terms of the context of marriage. (I >am making an assumption with this next statement.) You href="http://www.talossaonline.com/1.23326.0.html">do not believe in plural marriage and you >will support the preventing the legalization of it, but does that mean the the this right should >be denied to others that do believe in it. You do not believe that this is right and defining it >will show that in the Republic of Talossa that this is constitutional, legal, and accepted with no >questions (well, atleast significantly fewer questions).

By not defining exactly what >marriage is and means we are leaving ourselves open to many questions. Are same sex marriages >legal? Are plural marriages legal? Is any marriage legal that is not a "traditional marriage" as >defined by antiquated and theocratic defintions of macronations today? It is not specifically >spelled out by our laws. The constitution says that we cannot be descriminated but what does that >mean? Defining Marriage will ensure that their are no questions and prevent the narrowing of the >definition from how it is implied by the constitution.



As far i've understood we have different views on the topic "discrimination". My thought is if marriage is not defined, as we don't need to define it [see below], how can a person been discriminated on the basis of his "marriage" orientations?. Simply he can't. I can't discriminate Assurbanipal (invented person) if he pratics plural marriages. I don't agree with him, but i can't discriminate him. Instead if you try to legalize plural marriages, i have to make an opposition to this law, because i don't accept it.

This may lead to two different scenarios:

a) The majority agrees with me: you are discriminated.
b) The majority agrees with you: I am discriminated, seen as a "enemy of the progress".

In both cases someone is discriminated by the majority dictatorship as defined by Tocqueville. The problem is that a law defining marriage is not needed [see below], it's not urgent, but it may cause discriminations and problems, because neither you nor I could impose our views on others. (If you think sthing right, it doesn't mean that it's the right). From my point of view such a law it's unecessary cause of discriminations and qaurrels. You believe such law could prevent discriminations, I believe instead that it could be the cause of the discriminations you want to prevent. Discriminations that are not present in Talossa nowadays.

Are same sex marriages legal? Are plural marriages legal?


If marriage it's not defined in Talossa, how someone could put these question to himself?

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And how Talossa could effectively grant maritial status to its citizen?>

Talossa will grant marital status in a similar fashion as do other nations around >the world. (Here is the information for >the county that I live in.). This is somethng that I think that we will have to look at >closely. Close examination of the process will be necessary incase our marriages are scrutinized >by macronations or other micronations. I have started to href="http://www.talossaonline.com/1.23300.0.html" title="Authorized Marriage Officiant">outline >the process in a previous post. We will have to look at the process carefully and document it >or the Talossan institution of marriage will be a novelty and not something to take seriously.



You forget something: we are not a nation like any other around the world. Our "marriage" will not be recognised by other nations, Talossan citizenship it's not recognised by other nations, we don't have people actually living in Talossa, etc... Our basis are fictitious, and everything we do is fictitious.

And what Talossa could gain?

We will be providing a method of >validation and the ability to protect it, and and the individuals involved. By not defining it you >are in some ways ignoring that it exists and ignoring that this special relationship will not have >a consideration on how laws pertain to the individuals or their union.

The laws of the world >are changing countries are investigation and >passing laws to legalize and acknolwedge an expanded definition of marriage. There are bills >everywhere that are accepting same sex unions. It is just a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/ssmpoly.htm">matter of time before Plural marriages are >accepted (ACLU - Fighting for Marriage). Why should we start out behind what will be >inevitable, and is currently constitutional by our laws. Lets us define this and look towards the >future of Talossa.



If you think it's inevitable, doesn't mean that is inevitable. However, you didn't answered me: what Talossa could gain?

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Your law could generate a scenario where two people are single for the entire >world, but married for Talossa. We have to escape from this horrible scenario, son of a Macro or >Game fanatism.


>Why is this question being asked? Why is our situation different than any other nation in the >world?



Because we are not a nation like any other nation in the world! We are not a "nation", but a micronation, a nationette. Our situation is different.

>Because we are a micronation that exists solely on the internet composed of people from many >different cultures that may never meet eachother and, most importantly, we do not have lands >or >international recognition.

Is that a good reason to not take a serious issue - >seriously? >Is this a good reason to not take our future as a nation seriously? We may never obtain >international recognition, but we will definitely not ever be taken seriously if we do not take >ourselves seriously. An outside government and people outside of he Republic will judge us based >on our laws and public face. I am pretty sure that every governenment in the world defines >marriage and has laws to validate and protect it. If a Talossan marriage it is to be accepted it >cannot be an implied institution and will need to be put into law and defined.



I've never wanted an international recognition by Macronations. The aim to be recongised by other nations and by UN it's an hysteria, a micronational fanatism that was never part of Talossa. I take Talossa very seriuosly, even if i don't want a day to have written on my European Passport: "European and Talossa citizen".

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My peculiarist objections to your derivatist opinions.Üc TärfâNovember 03, 2005 - 15:55
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