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Anthony Underwood		Some, as of late, have accused a number of the new citizens as being “simulationist.”

If by "simulationist" you mean we want to merely mimic macro-world institutions with a flurry of documents and pronouncements then I would not be one. However, if you mean someone who wants Talossa, in its own way with its own unique institutions, to have a greater impact on the world at large, then I would not call that “simulationist” but rather “Talossan Progressive.”

Speaking for myself and my nascent organization I do not wish to emulate macro world institutions just for sake of playing, or pretending or “simulating” the macro-world experience. I call myself a Talossan Progressive because I believe that the freedoms promoted and enjoyed by the citizens of Talossa should be the foundation of liberty for all of humankind. That so many of our brothers and sisters toil without the security of the fruits of their labor, that so many strive for a level of justice and equality that will not be granted to them by their “macro-world” nations-of-residence in their lifetime is an affront to everything I believe that Talossa should be.

Talossa cannot correct every ill of society or right every injustice, but we can, yes even sometimes if only symbolically, provide relief and justice for our citizens. Whether it is by proving the Liberty for all people to marry, or serving as a medium to demand Justice for those who cannot do so for themselves or simply Serving the less fortunate, Talossan Progressives believe Talossa must be more than just a simulation or hobby.

Yes, minting coins, ID cards, military rank badges and composing national anthems will be fun entertaining, and necessary to national morale, but progressives believe that the core of our mission should be the extension and support of Liberty, Justice and Service as far as our talents and reach may extend.

I may not speak for anyone but myself, but as for me, please call me not a simulationist. However, I will proudly claim the mantle of a Talossan Progressive.

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    Anthony Underwood    		>However, if you mean someone who wants Talossa, in its own way with its own unique institutions, to have a greater impact on the world at large, then I would not call that “simulationist” but rather “Talossan Progressive.”
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    > Speaking for myself and my nascent organization I do not wish to emulate macro world institutions just for sake of playing, or pretending or “simulating” the macro-world experience. I call myself a Talossan Progressive because I believe that the freedoms promoted and enjoyed by the citizens of Talossa should be the foundation of liberty for all of humankind. That so many of our brothers and sisters toil without the security of the fruits of their labor, that so many strive for a level of justice and equality that will not be granted to them by their “macro-world” nations-of-residence in their lifetime is an affront to everything I believe that Talossa should be.

    A crusader? Do you want that Talossa becomes a sort of No-profit association that will fight for liberty and democracy all around the world?

    > Talossa cannot correct every ill of society or right every injustice, but we can, yes even sometimes if only symbolically, provide relief and justice for our citizens. Whether it is by proving the Liberty for all people to marry, or serving as a medium to demand Justice for those who cannot do so for themselves or simply Serving the less fortunate,

    The Republic of Talossa as an agency for external people?

    >Talossa must be more than just a simulation or hobby.

    I agree. But Talossa is a nation for her people, not an agency that helps people all around the world.
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    Üc TärfâNovember 09, 2005 - 05:03
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    Anthony Underwood    		> Some, as of late, have accused a number of the new citizens as being “simulationist.”

    It's not an accuse ;-)

    > If by "simulationist" you mean we want to merely mimic macro-world institutions with a flurry of documents and pronouncements then I would not be one. However, if you mean someone who wants Talossa, in its own way with its own unique institutions, to have a greater impact on the world at large, then I would not call that “simulationist” but rather “Talossan Progressive.”

    I haven't called you a "simulationalist". Simulationalism is the process of "simulate" real aspect of a Nation life. Nation, and not State. Simultionalist issues are for exemlpe the creation of a "Sport League" of the implementation of an Economic System". Me too I'm a simulationalist, even there are some than are much more than me.

    Simulationalism doesn't affect the "politic sphere" of a micronation.
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    Anthony Underwood    		I do adore the fact that the political field in the Republic is broadening, to present us independent voters (hint: you don't have to join a movement/party) with real, but equally Talossan, choices.
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    Anthony Underwood    		Count me A Talossan Progressive!
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    Citizen #30:
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    > If by "simulationist" you mean we want to merely mimic macro-world institutions with a flurry of documents and pronouncements then I would not be one. However, if you mean someone who wants Talossa, in its own way with its own unique institutions, to have a greater impact on the world at large, then I would not call that “simulationist” but rather “Talossan Progressive.”

    Classical Derivatist: wants Talossa to be like "real" countries.
    Lixhitàn Progressive: wants "real" countries to be like Talossa.

    Funnily enough, cxhn. Lixhità, I was once of precisely the same mind as you - these "Progressive" ideas were expounded by me in an editorial of the Penguinean newspaper The Southern Cross back in '97. These days, I'm far more sceptical about such things, and have "real world" politics to distract me, so frankly I no longer believe that micronationalism either can or should have any impact on macrocosmic politics and I "do Talossa" as a recreation.

    Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.





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    Anthony Underwood    		I certainly appreciate your perspective. It is not an invalid one. And you hardly need to hear it from me but I do respect anyone willing to work in or for political campaigns in their nations-of-residence. I myself have both run for office and campaigned for others.

    However, I believe our new citizen and newest member of the UTP, Jim, has put it best...

    “We need to set forth laws that unequivocally show the world that this is the nation of Talossa and we hold sacred personal freedoms. If we do not explicitly show it then it will be harder for other nations, macro or not, to take us seriously. There are many progressive things that can be done but will be difficult for many to accept, even as Talossans, but will maximize freedom and live up to Talossan values. To not prepare for macronational relations by creating explicit laws is a mistake that will relegate Talossa to "hobby" status.”

    ( More at: http://www.talossaonline.com/1.23461.0.html )

    I am sure that as the UTP emerges as a political party (that should make you happy =) ) that it and the PSD, MRP and what ever party comes along or finds a resurgence can on occasion come to common ground. Only hard work and history will determine what Talossa will become. Meanwhile, we can have fun, share ideas and build a community. I am sure we can all agree on that.

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    > However, I believe our new citizen and newest member of the UTP, Jim, has put it best...
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    > “We need to set forth laws that unequivocally show the world that this is the nation of Talossa and we hold sacred personal freedoms. If we do not explicitly show it then it will be harder for other nations, macro or not, to take us seriously. There are many progressive things that can be done but will be difficult for many to accept, even as Talossans, but will maximize freedom and live up to Talossan values. To not prepare for macronational relations by creating explicit laws is a mistake that will relegate Talossa to "hobby" status.”
    >
    > ( More at: http://www.talossaonline.com/1.23461.0.html )

    My major problem with this is the fact that macronational issues and politics generate far more heated debate and personal emotional reaction than anything that happens within the framework of Talossa itself. People are far more likely to be open-minded on the qualifications for the President or Senators of the Republic, relations with other micronations etc. than they are about questions such as marriage rights, "real world" foreign policy etc.

    For Talossa to take a stand on "real world" politicial issues would be a recipe for interminable arguments which led nowhere and did nothing for Talossa. Cxhn. Lixhità was probably not here during the American election campaign, when cxhns. Gruber and Pope engaged in many knock-down drag-out debates on the "Bush vs. Kerry" theme which took up much valuable bandwidth on Wittenberg and did absolutely nothing to build the Republic of Talossa as a nation. (I know that traditionally Talossa has taken sides in macronational conflicts, but this reflected the policy biases of the ex-King and his determination to shove them down the throats of his subjects. Talossa's "declaration of war" on Serbia in 1999 was a huge low-point in this regard.)

    My deepest fear is that if we start taking "macro-issues" on, we will encourage the political dividing lines to be drawn not along the lines of Talossan issues, but along our "real world" political allegiances. Which would, I feel, be highly boring - especially for those of us politically active in our macronational reality! - and destroy Talossa's individuality (dare I say "peculiarity"?) as a nation. To give an example, I flatter myself that I have gained the confidence of a majority of the Talossan nation with my conduct in the governance of the Republic. If my "macronational" politics - which I believe most Talossans would consider extreme at best and evil at worst - were brought into things, I probably wouldn't last a second in this job.

    The "universe" in which Talossa exists should, I feel, extend only to the boundaries of those things over which the Republic and its citizens can actually have an influence. I fear that encouraging Talossa to take exemplary stands on macronational issues will (a) not do diddly-squat to affect anything in the real world; (b) lead to long, drawn-out and utterly fruitless debates which will poison political discourse in the Republic itself.


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    Anthony Underwood    		Prime Minister,

    I am with you here on a number of counts. As citizens of Talossa we may care about what happens in the United States, but it is not necessarily within our “jurisdiction.” Empty proclamations, personal invective and pointless conflict are not helpful. We should only take action if we can do it within a “Talossan” framework. Clearly there are some issues that have resonance in both the macro and micro worlds. I believe that marriage, among others, is one of them.

    You are correct, Talossa doesn’t have any business “declaring war” on macro-nations no matter how vile, but we could raise charity funds for victims of war and donate them in the name of the Republic of Talossa. We can’t regulate health care systems or fund major scientific research, but we could provide information on the latest news and techniques, debunk fraud and even donate research “facilities” such as at Google Compute (http://toolbar.google.com/dc/offerdc.html) or SETI At Home (http://setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu/). And yes by demonstrating that educated individuals can hold strong positions and yet work together to create a strong and vibrant society, I feel that we can act as a civil, democratic beacon in this night of human history.

    I will be proud if centuries from now in some small article on the history of the internet, that the Republic of Talossa will be cited as an example of how democratic ideals and the emerging opportunities of the internet paved the way for new, more just social structures in the “macro” world. Admittedly a big dream, but the bigger the challenge the biggest the impact of success may be.

    Again, I am sure we can find many areas for cooperation and success.

    Antonio Lixhita,
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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 09, 2005 - 11:29
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    Macronational issues and politics may generate far more heated debate and personal emotional reaction than anything that happens within the framework of Talossa itself. This might be because Talossan affairs do not affect them, their family, or others like the way that "Real World" politics do. If it affects them in a personal way they will most likely have an opinion of some sort and become involved in heated debate.

    There will come a time when our citizens will be involved in a heated debate about Talossan issues. The marriage debate was one of them and more debates are to come. Please do not think that because an issue is a something that macronations deal with that it does not belong in Talossa. Talossa is a nation and will have similar issues and laws that other macronations will have. If we did not then we would not be a nation.

    When our presidents and senators and other government figures have a known position on a controversial issue then you will see the debates begin. Looking through the message board I do not see a lot of controversial topics having been discussed. This will change and there will be and increase in the number of heated debates on Talossan issues which may or may not also be macronational issues.

    I can understand how thread after thread of debating a macronational election could be annoying. There is, of course, nothing wrong with it as this is a place for Talossans to gather and discuss their worlds and what is happening. Macronational elections are a highly localized issue that does not directly affect Talossa itself. If it were a topic that every society in the world has to deal with such as marriage, contracts, voting, age of majority, and so on, it would be more productive as it would directly affects us and our laws if we so choose to pass them.

    The marriage debate generated a lot of debate and it was not fruitless. A bill has not been passed or recommended, but much has been learned about the stance of our citizens. I found it a great learning experience and because of the discussion and the research that I have been doing I am changing my views a little bit. Part of the problem is that the "Real World" is something that we know and it affects us directly. Talossan laws do not yet affect us directly. The more and more we do the more and more debates will start to happen. I know that you believe that this serious micronational hobby of yours called the Republic of Talossa and the "Real World" should remain separate, but if Talossa is to be successful and evolve it will need to address these types issues in one form or another.

    Declaring war when you have no army is asinine and they could have no hope for fulfulling that proclamation. Issuing a letter stating the official stance of the Republic of Talossa or an official letter of reprimand regarding a macronational issue is not. That is something real that we can do and is something that can cycle through the internet or be sent to the appropriate embasseys. It is something real and tangible and something that we can effectuate. What matters is that there is a group of people who gather together and decide to take action. That is what the world will notice and respect. We can only affect the "Real World" if we take action in a method that we can start and finish. Right now there is not much that we are ready to do. In time that will change. Any action that we take should inherently reflect Talossan ideals or it will be counterproductive.

    Debate is not a bad thing. If nations around the world would avoid change because debate would ensue then no one would ever take a position and decide to change something. To decide to not take a position because people will debate it long and hard is rather defeating the purpose of starting a nation that has ideals that are different and more open than much of the rest of the world.

    I fear this as well. Our views as Talossans should be somewhat separate from our "Macronational" views. Talossa is a different entity then just about any other nation out there. Our constitution is very open and progressive and a great thing. In time this may be easier to look at Talossan issues from the view point of a Talossan not as an American, German or what ever our macronational citizenship is. As we evolve more and more that is something that will hopefully change.


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    Anthony Underwood    		>

    Macronational issues and politics may generate far more heated debate and personal >emotional reaction than anything that happens within the framework of Talossa itself. This might >be because Talossan affairs do not affect them, their family, or others like the way that "Real >World" politics do. If it affects them in a personal way they will most likely have an opinion of >some sort and become involved in heated debate.

    There will come a time when our citizens >will be involved in a heated debate about Talossan issues. The marriage debate was one of them and >more debates are to come.
    [..]
    >Looking through the message board I do not see a lot of controversial topics having been >discussed. This will change and there will be and increase in the number of heated debates on >Talossan issues which may or may not also be macronational issues.

    Sorry, but before you were a prospective there have been an heated debates on Talossan affairs. For exemple the last one was on JKK Provincial assignment; more heated than the marriage one as it went before the High Court twice. This debates never had an end because JKK stop to be interested in it. None won, but it was a very developing debate.
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    Anthony Underwood    		> Sorry, but before you were a prospective there have been an heated debates on Talossan affairs. For exemple the last one was on JKK Provincial assignment; more heated than the marriage one as it went before the High Court twice. This debates never had an end because JKK stop to be interested in it. None won, but it was a very developing debate.

    When I look around me I certainly seem to see a loser, though. Or rather I can't see him.
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    Anthony Underwood    		> When I look around me I certainly seem to see a loser, though. Or rather I can't see him.

    Cxhn. Kelley walked out of active participation not because of the outcome or the heatedness of the debate over RC9, but because he felt himself mocked and belittled by President Gruber's article on the subject in QI. Regrettable, but I think it was the result of an individual personality clash rather than a problem with the Republic's political culture.

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    Anthony Underwood    		Oh. I didn't know; I was on vacation and offline at the time. I assumed it was the whole hullaballoo about changing the law to accommodate his change of provinces. Thanks for updating me.
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    > Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.

    Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake. We don't pretend that Talossa is a game, but we know about about the limits that are set by the real world. Does this help you to understand modern Peculiarism, Miestrâ-dear? :-)

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    > > Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.
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    > Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake. We don't pretend that Talossa is a game, but we know about about the limits that are set by the real world. Does this help you to understand modern Peculiarism, Miestrâ-dear? :-)

    People maybe failed to undertsand that Peculiarism doesn't see Talossa as a game. We are taking these stuffs seriuosly!

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    Anthony Underwood    		> >
    > > > Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.
    > >
    > > Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake. We don't pretend that Talossa is a game, but we know about about the limits that are set by the real world. Does this help you to understand modern Peculiarism, Miestrâ-dear? :-)
    >
    > People maybe failed to undertsand that Peculiarism doesn't see Talossa as a game. We are taking these stuffs seriuosly!

    I think Miestrâ loves to repeat the equation Peculiarism = Sillyness-for-its-own-sake until everyone only remembers this silly equation, instead of remembering what Peculiarists actually did for the democracy in the Republic of Talossa. ;-)

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    Üc TärfâNovember 09, 2005 - 06:18
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 09, 2005 - 05:49
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    Anthony Underwood    		> > > > Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.
    > > >
    > > > Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake. We don't pretend that Talossa is a game, but we know about about the limits that are set by the real world. Does this help you to understand modern Peculiarism, Miestrâ-dear? :-)
    > >
    > > People maybe failed to undertsand that Peculiarism doesn't see Talossa as a game. We are taking these stuffs seriuosly!
    >
    > I think Miestrâ loves to repeat the equation Peculiarism = Sillyness-for-its-own-sake until everyone only remembers this silly equation, instead of remembering what Peculiarists actually did for the democracy in the Republic of Talossa. ;-)

    Heuh... propaganda ;-)
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    la garçâ malpadertNovember 08, 2005 - 16:33
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    Citizen #30:
    Anthony Underwood    		>
    > > Although it's one I take seriously - one of the problems that I see with Peculiarism is that it has historically veered into the silly-for-its-own sake. Personally, I see a paradox that the game of Talossa is more fun the more we pretend that it isn't a game. If you catch my drift.
    >
    > Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake.

    The Gothic Peculiarists in Penguinea did. Are Republican Peculiarists a less, er, "peculiar" breed then? :)



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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 08, 2005 - 16:38
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    Anthony Underwood    		> > Aaargh. Peculiarists don't veer into silly-for-its-own-sake.
    >
    > Are Republican Peculiarists a less, er, "peculiar" breed then? :)

    Bet on this horse, and you'll be a winner. ;-)

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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 08, 2005 - 16:08
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    Anthony Underwood    		You do not know the limits until you try and test them.
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    Anthony Underwood    		>

    Proud Member of the Union for Tolossan Progress



    And then there were two. . . . ;)

    Welcome aboard.
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    Martí PitàtzNovember 09, 2005 - 06:19
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    And then there were two. . . . ;)


    WELL... MAKE IT THREE SO...


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    ResignedNovember 09, 2005 - 11:53
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    Anthony Underwood    		Welcome Aboard....we (you, I and Jim) need to get together and decide on a platform


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    Martí PitàtzNovember 09, 2005 - 12:02
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    Anthony Underwood    		Ah, by the way. Your e-mail adress doesn't seems to work. I sent you some days ago a mail with the questions and I got it back as an error...


    the best is still to come...

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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 09, 2005 - 12:13
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    Anthony Underwood    		There are 2 links on the UTP Site and one is right and the other is wrong. If you look closely at it the wrong email address is missing an 'o' in it.

    A one man stampede towards an opportunity to be chivalrous. MJBIII
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    Martí PitàtzNovember 09, 2005 - 11:59
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    Anthony Underwood    		Of course...

    Just tell when and how



    the best is still to come...

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    E.S. BörnatfiglheuNovember 08, 2005 - 15:37
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    Anthony Underwood    		While I speak only for myself, an recognize that the UTP and MRP hover at roughly opposite poles on one of our political axii, I think we can find some common ground on the innovation/tradition axis. But that might be just me.
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    ResignedNovember 08, 2005 - 15:41
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    Anthony Underwood    		> While I speak only for myself, an recognize that the UTP and MRP hover at roughly opposite poles on one of our political axii, I think we can find some common ground on the innovation/tradition axis. But that might be just me.


    Finding common ground is the life blood of good democracies. I think that the UTP would always look for opportunities for cooperation.


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    Üc TärfâNovember 09, 2005 - 02:16
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    Anthony Underwood    		> > While I speak only for myself, an recognize that the UTP and MRP hover at roughly opposite poles on one of our political axii, I think we can find some common ground on the innovation/tradition axis. But that might be just me.
    >
    >
    > Finding common ground is the life blood of good democracies. I think that the UTP would always look for opportunities for cooperation.

    I agree. In May 2005 Manifesto of MRP (that could be renewed next year) there is:

    «"Will you cooperate with other political parties?" Of course. We hope that all political groups of Talossa will be represented in te parliament. We think that all believers in democracy should be able to cooperate.»
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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 08, 2005 - 15:10
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    Anthony Underwood    		What he said!

    I think that my post here supports it as well!
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    Martí PitàtzNovember 08, 2005 - 15:04
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    Anthony Underwood    		I like it!!!

    agree


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    ResignedNovember 08, 2005 - 15:10
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    Anthony Underwood    		If you like that, check this out:

    http://www.talossaonline.com/1.23461.0.html

    Let me know if you'd have an interest in joining the UTP.


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    Martí PitàtzNovember 09, 2005 - 06:16
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    Anthony Underwood    		You know what???

    Actually I do...


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