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la garçâ malpadertNovember 08, 2005 - 17:21
RE: Simulationist or Progressive(#23623), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], November 09, 2005 - 11:29. Viewed 132 times.
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill

Macronational issues and politics may generate far more heated debate and personal emotional reaction than anything that happens within the framework of Talossa itself. This might be because Talossan affairs do not affect them, their family, or others like the way that "Real World" politics do. If it affects them in a personal way they will most likely have an opinion of some sort and become involved in heated debate.

There will come a time when our citizens will be involved in a heated debate about Talossan issues. The marriage debate was one of them and more debates are to come. Please do not think that because an issue is a something that macronations deal with that it does not belong in Talossa. Talossa is a nation and will have similar issues and laws that other macronations will have. If we did not then we would not be a nation.

When our presidents and senators and other government figures have a known position on a controversial issue then you will see the debates begin. Looking through the message board I do not see a lot of controversial topics having been discussed. This will change and there will be and increase in the number of heated debates on Talossan issues which may or may not also be macronational issues.

I can understand how thread after thread of debating a macronational election could be annoying. There is, of course, nothing wrong with it as this is a place for Talossans to gather and discuss their worlds and what is happening. Macronational elections are a highly localized issue that does not directly affect Talossa itself. If it were a topic that every society in the world has to deal with such as marriage, contracts, voting, age of majority, and so on, it would be more productive as it would directly affects us and our laws if we so choose to pass them.

The marriage debate generated a lot of debate and it was not fruitless. A bill has not been passed or recommended, but much has been learned about the stance of our citizens. I found it a great learning experience and because of the discussion and the research that I have been doing I am changing my views a little bit. Part of the problem is that the "Real World" is something that we know and it affects us directly. Talossan laws do not yet affect us directly. The more and more we do the more and more debates will start to happen. I know that you believe that this serious micronational hobby of yours called the Republic of Talossa and the "Real World" should remain separate, but if Talossa is to be successful and evolve it will need to address these types issues in one form or another.

Declaring war when you have no army is asinine and they could have no hope for fulfulling that proclamation. Issuing a letter stating the official stance of the Republic of Talossa or an official letter of reprimand regarding a macronational issue is not. That is something real that we can do and is something that can cycle through the internet or be sent to the appropriate embasseys. It is something real and tangible and something that we can effectuate. What matters is that there is a group of people who gather together and decide to take action. That is what the world will notice and respect. We can only affect the "Real World" if we take action in a method that we can start and finish. Right now there is not much that we are ready to do. In time that will change. Any action that we take should inherently reflect Talossan ideals or it will be counterproductive.

Debate is not a bad thing. If nations around the world would avoid change because debate would ensue then no one would ever take a position and decide to change something. To decide to not take a position because people will debate it long and hard is rather defeating the purpose of starting a nation that has ideals that are different and more open than much of the rest of the world.

I fear this as well. Our views as Talossans should be somewhat separate from our "Macronational" views. Talossa is a different entity then just about any other nation out there. Our constitution is very open and progressive and a great thing. In time this may be easier to look at Talossan issues from the view point of a Talossan not as an American, German or what ever our macronational citizenship is. As we evolve more and more that is something that will hopefully change.



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RE: Simulationist or ProgressiveTúischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 09, 2005 - 11:29
Üc TärfâNovember 09, 2005 - 14:17

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Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuNovember 09, 2005 - 11:29
RE: Simulationist or Progressive(#23636), posted by Üc Tärfâ, [IP Hidden], November 09, 2005 - 14:17. Viewed 137 times.
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill
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Macronational issues and politics may generate far more heated debate and personal >emotional reaction than anything that happens within the framework of Talossa itself. This might >be because Talossan affairs do not affect them, their family, or others like the way that "Real >World" politics do. If it affects them in a personal way they will most likely have an opinion of >some sort and become involved in heated debate.

There will come a time when our citizens >will be involved in a heated debate about Talossan issues. The marriage debate was one of them and >more debates are to come.
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>Looking through the message board I do not see a lot of controversial topics having been >discussed. This will change and there will be and increase in the number of heated debates on >Talossan issues which may or may not also be macronational issues.

Sorry, but before you were a prospective there have been an heated debates on Talossan affairs. For exemple the last one was on JKK Provincial assignment; more heated than the marriage one as it went before the High Court twice. This debates never had an end because JKK stop to be interested in it. None won, but it was a very developing debate.
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President AnglatzarâNovember 09, 2005 - 14:52

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Üc TärfâNovember 09, 2005 - 14:17
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill
> Sorry, but before you were a prospective there have been an heated debates on Talossan affairs. For exemple the last one was on JKK Provincial assignment; more heated than the marriage one as it went before the High Court twice. This debates never had an end because JKK stop to be interested in it. None won, but it was a very developing debate.

When I look around me I certainly seem to see a loser, though. Or rather I can't see him.
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la garçâ malpadertNovember 09, 2005 - 15:03

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President AnglatzarâNovember 09, 2005 - 14:52
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill
> When I look around me I certainly seem to see a loser, though. Or rather I can't see him.

Cxhn. Kelley walked out of active participation not because of the outcome or the heatedness of the debate over RC9, but because he felt himself mocked and belittled by President Gruber's article on the subject in QI. Regrettable, but I think it was the result of an individual personality clash rather than a problem with the Republic's political culture.

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President AnglatzarâNovember 09, 2005 - 16:42

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la garçâ malpadertNovember 09, 2005 - 15:03
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill
Oh. I didn't know; I was on vacation and offline at the time. I assumed it was the whole hullaballoo about changing the law to accommodate his change of provinces. Thanks for updating me.
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