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| Txec's Proposals | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 26, 2006 - 13:52 | | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 19:10 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | If the esteemed Secretary of State is keen to prove to the Republic that his proposals can work in practice, then perhaps he would like to bring them in on a provincial level? Note how much the Tanaïschteu has made of his experiences running Cézembre. Txec's province of Florenciâ is currently unorganised - I'm sure s:reu Ereufiglheu would have no trouble taking the initiative and dragging its citizens kicking and screaming into a new Progressive era. :)
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 19:34 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Aren't you the sneaky Prime Minister!!! =)
Interesting Proposal... Hmmm...
It would take some work to set up a calendar that would be usable which I think is the hardest part of implementing this proposal.
I will start to develop a calendar that could work as a reference. There is a lot more coding that would need to be done to fully implement something like this that I am not capable of doing, but MP could. I can give it a good try. I will try to get something working this week.
A problem inherent with this plan is having an active and willing bunch of citizens to test it on. As it stands there are only 2 active citizens in Florencia (correct me if I am wrong) besides myself: Art and Jay. At the moment Jay is the most active of the two. Our esteemed Art is not so active recently. This idea, however interesting, is not really a fair test of the proposals potential with one or two citizens.
I could post a semi-working model on the Secretary of State's pages to keep it easily accessible to those on Talossa.com and then we can work with it.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 13:50 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I'll throw in my two cents here, though it appears I'm a bit behind when it comes to chiming in.
Calendar Reform
I'm also against this on a few grounds. Firstly, if we're going to break away from the standard calendar, lets create a distinctly Talossan one! If we're going to go to the amount of work of developing new habits in timekeeping, then lets make them a particularly Talossan institution. Talossa is Talossa and should have a Talossan calendar if anything. Secondly, any change, even if it is to a preinvented system, will be a tonne more work than it is really worth. I think you're wrong in saying that Talossa doesn't deal macronationally. We do because our citizens do! We're all geared to the current calendar and will have to perform acts of translation merely to conduct Talossan business. Me, I'm preternatually lazy, and therefor am against anything that would include more work for me!
Economy and Finance
I do think this would be neato-finito! However, I do question what we would use it for. Unless the Talossan currency is freely negotiable, whats it for? Even if its backed by e-gold or, if we can find it, e-silver, what can we do with it? We can issue banknotes based on nothing if we're going to make it totally decorative. I'm with Miestra... lets make some kickass banknotes and coins.. then worry about getting them backed if we can find a reason to do it.
Provincial Assignment Reformation
Personally, I like the provincial system as it currently stands... excepting one thing. The Senat. The only reason I think this is an issue is because of our upper hall. I'm all for provincial particularization, culturally. The Senat is designed around a federal system where each of the component bodies has some sort of vested interest. The American Senate came about to "defend the individual sovereignty" of the states. I cant see that our provinces have anything of that sort to any major degree. Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
Time and Measurement
I do prefer metric. Yes, lets consider this. Last I knew, we had a standard time, Talossan Standard Time, also known in the US as Central Time... the time in Milwaukee. I believe its -6 GMT.
Talossan Email
I like this too. At the very least for the govt. and various officials to handle Talossan business. Such as Seneschal@talossa.com... etc. Indeed, I've not suggested this in the past because I assumed it was already considered and shot down to infeasibility. But if we can do it, lets do it.
Lets not fly in the face of our peculiarity, but embrace it. Talossa is an ephemeral nation... but a robust one. I think Talossanity should take precedence over systematic integration, etc. That, and if it requires too much more work... I'm against it unless there is a very good reason for it.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 15:22 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Calendar Reform
> I'm also against this on a few grounds. Firstly, if we're going to break away from the standard calendar, lets create a distinctly Talossan one! If we're going to go to the amount of work of developing new habits in timekeeping, then lets make them a particularly Talossan institution. Talossa is Talossa and should have a Talossan calendar if anything.
The International Fixed Calendar would be uniquely Talossan in that we would be the only country to use it and the only country that is in the unique position to be able to adopt it. This calendar offers definite advantages that will benefit our citizens in the future.
Having Talossan names for the days and months would be an interesting cultural exercise, but there is no real need for any more work. There has been plenty of research on calendar reform so we need not go through the process or do any more work beyond deciding to adopt it and implementing it unless someone has a revolutionary idea.
Secondly, any change, even if it is to a preinvented system, will be a tonne more work than it is really worth. I think you're wrong in saying that Talossa doesn't deal macronationally. We do because our citizens do! We're all geared to the current calendar and will have to perform acts of translation merely to conduct Talossan business. Me, I'm preternatually lazy, and therefor am against anything that would include more work for me!
Show me when the Government of Talossa in any official capacity has dealt with the United States or any other entity that another micronation. Our citizens live their macronational lives in their macronations. The virtue of that does not mean that Talossa has had relations with their respective macronations or other entities. This is an important distinction to maintain. What our citizens do does not equate to what Talossa does.
Whether or not you are preternaturally lazy does not mean that this is not a better calendar that will benefit Talossans. This is the type of thinking that I am specifically addressing in Progress and Change.
> Economy and Finance
> I do think this would be neato-finito! However, I do question what we would use it for. Unless the Talossan currency is freely negotiable, whats it for? Even if its backed by e-gold or, if we can find it, e-silver, what can we do with it? We can issue banknotes based on nothing if we're going to make it totally decorative. I'm with Miestra... lets make some kickass banknotes and coins.. then worry about getting them backed if we can find a reason to do it.
I am against minting coins or banknotes except for certain circumstances. It not a good use of time or resources unless it is used to generate income or created as a novelty.
> Provincial Assignment Reformation
> Personally, I like the provincial system as it currently stands... excepting one thing. The Senat. The only reason I think this is an issue is because of our upper hall. I'm all for provincial particularization, culturally. The Senat is designed around a federal system where each of the component bodies has some sort of vested interest. The American Senate came about to "defend the individual sovereignty" of the states. I cant see that our provinces have anything of that sort to any major degree. Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
The time will come when the Senat shall rise. It is not dead, so lets not chop its head off quite yet. Aggressive and tempered immigration measures can help correct this.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 17:13 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> Having Talossan names for the days and months would be an interesting cultural exercise, but there is no real need for any more work.
You are aware that there already exist Talossan names for the days and months of the Gregorian calendar, right? I wonder whether you wanted to go "Year Zero" and start from scratch with a 13-month calendar, or just make up one extra month name. If the latter, I want it named after me. It would be cool to be born on Wednesday the 13th of Schivâ. :)
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 17:17 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > You are aware that there already exist Talossan names for the days and months of the Gregorian calendar, right? I wonder whether you wanted to go "Year Zero" and start from scratch with a 13-month calendar, or just make up one extra month name. If the latter, I want it named after me. It would be cool to be born on Wednesday the 13th of Schivâ. :)
Oh, that's right. It's on the front page of the Talossa.com. I had forgotten about that. A name for the 13th month would have to be assigned. The suggestions have ben Midi or Sol, and then of course we would need a Talossan name as well. How about Coop?
Even less work than I had imagined. The Talossan names are already done. Cool!
"Year Zero"
=)
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 16:30 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> The International Fixed Calendar would be uniquely Talossan in that we would be the only country to use it and the only country that is in the unique position to be able to adopt it. This calendar offers definite advantages that will benefit our citizens in the future.
Advantages such as..? If there are definite advantages, then I'm all about hearing them. But so far as I can see, you've outlined no real, tangible, concrete advantage for the adoption of the International Fixed Calendar.
> Show me when the Government of Talossa in any official capacity has dealt with the United States or any other entity that is not or another micronation. Our citizens live their macronational lives in their macronations. The virtue of that does not mean that Talossa has had relations with their respective macronations or other entities. This is an important distinction to maintain. What our citizens do does not equate to what Talossa does.
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> Whether or not you are preternaturally lazy does not mean that this is not a better calendar that will benefit Talossans. This is the type of thinking that I am specifically addressing in Progress and Change.
Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
> The time will come when the Senat shall rise. It is not dead, so lets not chop its head off quite yet. Aggressive and tempered immigration measures can help correct this.
Why do we have one? Whats the need for a bicameral legislature, if not to provide voices to disparate corporations (The people in one case, the provinces in the other)? Do the provinces, as bodies in themselves, have a vested interest in the way Talossa is run? I dont honestly think so, nor do I think we will develope to any such point in the near future. Most provinces, even those of significant size, lack any sort of basic institution! Putting more strain on manpower, since the C.O.D. will grow as the Republic does, unnecessarily, isn't healthy micronationalism. LEts vest the power in on parliament accountable to the people and bring extra infrastructure in only when there is a demonstrated need for it.
Eric S. Kildow, Speaker
Third Chamber of Deputies
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Túischac'h
Tierçéu Camerâ
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
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| | Iensâ Ovéir | March 27, 2006 - 17:27 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
This is precisely how I feel - continually having to translate* dates would not be fun for me. It may be a novely for a while, but it would, I think, in the end become enough of a hassle as to discourage me from wanting to participate.
*Not that the simple translation of month names wouldn't be cool. But a new calandar is a whole new way of thinking.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 16:56 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Advantages such as..? If there are definite advantages, then I'm all about hearing them. But so far as I can see, you've outlined no real, tangible, concrete advantage for the adoption of the International Fixed Calendar.
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> Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
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This is taken almost wholey from my proposal document.
Such a calendar will greatly simplify the way that we think of dates and schedule events. Each day of the month will always fall on the same day each and every month. There will be no guessing as to when the 5th of any month is as it will always be on the same day. We will not have to guess how many days there are in the month as there will always be 28. By virtue of all months having the same number of days it is:
* easier for budgeting and paying employees
* easier to monitor time based trends
* easier to schedule recurring events
* in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
> Why do we have one? Whats the need for a bicameral legislature, if not to provide voices to disparate corporations (The people in one case, the provinces in the other)? Do the provinces, as bodies in themselves, have a vested interest in the way Talossa is run? I dont honestly think so, nor do I think we will develope to any such point in the near future. Most provinces, even those of significant size, lack any sort of basic institution! Putting more strain on manpower, since the C.O.D. will grow as the Republic does, unnecessarily, isn't healthy micronationalism. LEts vest the power in on parliament accountable to the people and bring extra infrastructure in only when there is a demonstrated need for it.
I cannot make an educated comment on this. I will let those who are more informed about political processes answer this. Having a few more voices that are voted directly by the people of their respective provinces to help represent us is in the government is a good idea. As it stands if there is someone on a party list that we do not like we have to suffer through it. In the CoD we vote directly for a party and not for people. Senators are voted directly for the person and not the party.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 17:36 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> * easier for budgeting and paying employees
> * easier to monitor time based trends
> * easier to schedule recurring events
> * in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
Here are many things which our government doesn't have to do. We dont yet have employees to pay nor things to budget... and yet I dont see how it would be easier. You're paid on the first of every month, its not much of a stretch to figure out when you're paid next.
> When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
If we're going to include the Gregorian dates... why not just use the Gregorian dates. PArt of my hesitancy in IFC use comes from the fact that our current notions of time and date-keeping are quite ingrained. I dont see changing it unless there are great benefits behind doing so.
> I cannot make an educated comment on this. I will let those who are more informed about political processes answer this. Having a few more voices that are voted directly by the people of their respective provinces to help represent us is in the government is a good idea. As it stands if there is someone on a party list that we do not like we have to suffer through it. In the CoD we vote directly for a party and not for people. Senators are voted directly for the person and not the party.
True, the COD is a party list system. However, it would be a mistake to think that parties do not take personalities into account when compiling their party lists. They must bow to the will of the electorate, and if the electorate detests somebody, then they'd be foolish to place them too prominently on a list.
There has been discussion regarding moving to a personality based system, but no such plan has managed to garner significant support (if I'm wrong here, somebody let me know). I think the strain on our manpower would outweigh the benefits garnered by putting in a personality house of parliament.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 20:08 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > * easier for budgeting and paying employees
> > * easier to monitor time based trends
> > * easier to schedule recurring events
> > * in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
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> Here are many things which our government doesn't have to do. We dont yet have employees to pay nor things to budget... and yet I dont see how it would be easier. You're paid on the first of every month, its not much of a stretch to figure out when you're paid next.
These are not things that our government has to do... yet! Whether we do it now or not is irrelevant. To not prepare for the eventuality of having money in our government is to shoot ourselves in the foot. Frankly, I do not like pain. I like my foot just fine without a hole it. =) Eventually we will have a budget, taxes, and Talossan businesses that pay taxes and people that will schedule life in a Talossan manner. I would prefer to do it with this calender than the archaic Gregorian Calendar. Lets get used to something better. Lets use the better wheel, instead of the square one. Let Talossa promote a better more efficient way of life.
Some people are paid on the first of the month, and some, such as me and most everyone I know, are paid ever 2 weeks. Bugeting for a strict 4 week month is so much easier than with months that have fractional weeks. It will not require a stretch to figure out. Why stretch if you do have have to. Once this is adjusted to it will simplify life. It does change the way that you think about it, but also simplifies it.
> > When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
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> If we're going to include the Gregorian dates... why not just use the Gregorian dates. PArt of my hesitancy in IFC use comes from the fact that our current notions of time and date-keeping are quite ingrained. I dont see changing it unless there are great benefits behind doing so.
I do understand. It is ingrained in our lives and it is what everyone is used to. Because it is what you are used does not mean that it is right or the best solution out there. There have been many attempts as calendar reform and why do you think they failed. Because people do not like change. People are willing to live with inefficiencies and annoyances in their lives because it is what they are used to and do not want to change or do not know how to change something. Fear, close mindedness, and obstinance are what keeps progress from happening.... or maybe I am a Crazed Zealot! =)
Why do we include the Gregorian Dates as well? To allow people to adjust to the new calendar and be able to associate the 2 calendars. You just cannot quite a calendar cold turkey like someone might be able to quite smoking. That is not realistic. It will take some time. Some time with both of the Calendars. Even if everyone in Talossa was used to it and loved it we would still need to keep a good reference for those from outside Talossa that find us interesting or wish to learn our calendar. We can start Calendar Reform Revolution.... Maybe =) I am a Crazed Zealot. Ughh!!
Let us set the standard for what a better government and life can be. Let Talossa be the new Standard. Shoot for the Stars People. Prepare for the inevtitable greatness that Talossa is destined for.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 21:03 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Talossan businesses? People scheduling their lives around Talossa?
This smacks of a landed, territorially sovereign Talossa... something I think will never happen. Though I'm unwilling to say never, because thats an awfully broad word.
Under our current conditions, I'm afraid I just dont see a point in calendar reform.
Eric S. Kildow, Speaker
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 21:14 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | People will not schedule their lives around Talossa, they will schedule their lives in a Talossan fashion.
I have specifically spoken against the Territorial Soverign possibility so that is not it. There is a future for Talossa. Whatever it is, it is up to us to prepare for it as best we can. If we only prepare for a neat internet club then that is all Talossa will become. If you prepare for more then if just might become more. =)
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 21:21 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I would say that inevitably Talossa will come up against the "real money and real property" problem - if only to the extent that we need to find some sustainable way to keep our national webspace in operation. At the moment the deal is that the President of the Republic organises this with the Database Administrator, and currently both Chris and M-P are keeping that running out of the goodness of their hearts and wallets. Not a long-term sustainable option. At some stage we will at least need to start charging some (very small) level of "taxation" (or membership fee, for the less derivative among us) to pay for domain registrations, shiny ID cards, etc. And unless e-gold.com has been taking down by the cops by then, it seems a pretty efficient way to organise the transfer of small sums of money internationally without hefty foreign exchange fees.
There's also the question of perhaps setting up a "real-life" non-profit corporation which could "legally own" Talossa's physical, online and intellectual property. We need to make it clear that Talossa's intellectual property is not the private property of any one person or clique of persons. I would not support turning the Republic into such a corporation itself because that would mean that our Constitution and Laws would have to conform with whatever macronational jurisdiction we registered in. But perhaps a non-profit corporation, with all current citizens listed as shareholders, over which the President of the Republic was automatically declared CEO, would be an efficient option. Or even we could have such a corporation jointly with the Kingdom.
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 28, 2006 - 13:56 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Nova Roma
It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 28, 2006 - 15:44 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Nova Roma
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> It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 29, 2006 - 11:51 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > Nova Roma
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> > It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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> I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
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Tthink, from what I can find on the internets, that in America they draw a distinction between the Directors of a company and its Officers. So the Chamber of Deputies would be the Directors, and the executive the Officers. That may be a way out of the difficulty. But I'm, no expert in the matter, so I'll let wiser heads contribute their thoughts, if any.
I understand M-P and Grubi were investigating these points last year at any rate-what were their conclusions, if any?
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| | Üc Tärfâ | March 29, 2006 - 10:12 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > Nova Roma
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> > It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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> I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
What about Parlamînt = Board of directors President= CEO ?
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| | President Anglatzarâ | March 27, 2006 - 14:15 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
Hear, hear!
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | March 27, 2006 - 14:29 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
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> Hear, hear!
Yeah.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 17:06 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > > Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
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> > Hear, hear!
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> Yeah.
The main argument for the Senäts that I can see is that it would give an added dimension to Parlamînt. Firstly, people grumble about the "party list" voting system for the Deputies - the Senators would be elected as individuals. In addition, all Senators would be distinguished by long service in the Republic. I do like the idea of a sober upper house of semi-retired politicians acting to advise and warn the young hotheads in the Chamber.
If we were to abolish the Senats, then I would certainly support a shift to STV for the Chamber, so that we could have some legislators elected as individuals. Another idea to consider would be whether we needed a provincial basis for an upper house, or whether it could be elected on some other basis.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | March 28, 2006 - 03:03 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Catchy headline, eh?
> > > > Personally, I think we should not worry about instituting the Senats. Maybe even abolish it outright and work unicamerally permanently. We're not large enough, and wont be in the forseeable future.
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> > > Hear, hear!
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> > Yeah.
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> The main argument for the Senäts that I can see is that it would give an added dimension to Parlamînt. Firstly, people grumble about the "party list" voting system for the Deputies - the Senators would be elected as individuals. In addition, all Senators would be distinguished by long service in the Republic. I do like the idea of a sober upper house of semi-retired politicians acting to advise and warn the young hotheads in the Chamber.
Who are not sober? For shame!
> If we were to abolish the Senats, then I would certainly support a shift to STV for the Chamber, so that we could have some legislators elected as individuals. Another idea to consider would be whether we needed a provincial basis for an upper house, or whether it could be elected on some other basis.
We could of course introduce an unicameral parliament in which half of the Deputies are directly elected representants of the Provinces. In the bicameral picture it's hard to explain why Senators should be elected by the Provinces, if the job of the Senäts isn't even remotely related to provincial affairs. "Because some people grumble about the party list voting system" is not a sufficiently good reason, IMHO.
- Dieter
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| | President Anglatzarâ | March 28, 2006 - 03:33 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Another idea to consider would be whether we needed a provincial basis for an upper house, or whether it could be elected on some other basis.
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> We could of course introduce an unicameral parliament in which half of the Deputies are directly elected representants of the Provinces. In the bicameral picture it's hard to explain why Senators should be elected by the Provinces, if the job of the Senäts isn't even remotely related to provincial affairs. "Because some people grumble about the party list voting system" is not a sufficiently good reason, IMHO.
Theer are countries who elect their upper house/first chamber/senate by a nationwide election, without the senators representing anything in particular other than the entire nation. Theyv are simply a collection of elder statesmen as a check on the government and second chamber. That would be fine with me, BUT FIRST WE NEED AT LEAST ANOTHER 15 CITIZENS! Look at the current government and civil servant structure and see how thinly we are spread. Clamouring for a Senate at the moment is ridiculous. I'd say we won't be able to have one for at least two years, realistically.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | March 28, 2006 - 12:01 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > Another idea to consider would be whether we needed a provincial basis for an upper house, or whether it could be elected on some other basis.
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> > We could of course introduce an unicameral parliament in which half of the Deputies are directly elected representants of the Provinces. In the bicameral picture it's hard to explain why Senators should be elected by the Provinces, if the job of the Senäts isn't even remotely related to provincial affairs. "Because some people grumble about the party list voting system" is not a sufficiently good reason, IMHO.
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> Theer are countries who elect their upper house/first chamber/senate by a nationwide election, without the senators representing anything in particular other than the entire nation. Theyv are simply a collection of elder statesmen as a check on the government and second chamber. That would be fine with me, BUT FIRST WE NEED AT LEAST ANOTHER 15 CITIZENS! Look at the current government and civil servant structure and see how thinly we are spread. Clamouring for a Senate at the moment is ridiculous. I'd say we won't be able to have one for at least two years, realistically.
Regarding the current constitutional layout, the Senäts as an upper house of parliament won't do much except implementing one more instance of political checks and balances, between the C.o.D. and the President. So if we need this, what about nationwide elections, i.e., elections that are not based on the Provinces? For example, a 3-seat Senäts that is elected using the STV method?
And what about something different, like the Penguinean "House of Keys", an elected executive with check-and-balance powers? I could roughly think of three "Keys": The SoS, The Attorney-General and the Mençéi.
- Dieter
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 26, 2006 - 20:53 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Provincial assignments, to my mind, should reflect as far as possible two aims:
1) keeping the various provinces approximately (but not strictly) equal in population;
2) grouping Talossans into sub-communities based on culture and geographical proximity. Cezembre province, for example, is working perfectly at the moment, and we should not mess with success.
If I were to consider any provincial reform at the moment, it would be the fusing of Maritiimi and Port Maxhestic into a single province (as was in fact the case before the Revolution). This would hasten the day when all Talossan provinces were eligible to elect a Senator and thus kick off the bicameral Parlamînt. But that would be a matter solely for the people of MAT and PMX to decide for themselves - the constitution is very clear that the central government cannot screw with the provinces on whim. And it would also need a constitutional amendment to start off with a four-person Senäts (the current minimum is set at five).
Also, I really do like the idea of handing out talossa.com email addresses - we used to have penguinea.cx emails back in the old days. Perhaps our Database Administrator could report on the feasibility of this?
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 26, 2006 - 18:42 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | A side effect of adopting the Calendar and Time proposals will be similar to the effect that having the Talossan Language. Many of our citizens and prospectives come around because they are interested in Constructed Languages.
There are those who are defintely interest the Internationl Fixed Calendar (Calendar Reform)and Decimal Time. They may find there way to us as well.
This is an after thought, but almost worth mentioning.
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 26, 2006 - 18:10 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Greetings everyone. With the new Chamber starting and plans being laid I thought I would stir the pot a little bit and show some proposals that I have been brewing for quite some time.
> You can find them at www.TalossanProgress.Org/Proposals/Txec/. My proposals cover the following topics:
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> - Calendar Reform
- Economy and Finances
- Provincial Assignment Reformation
- Measurement
- Standardizing Time
- Talossan Email
There's nothing to say we couldn't have a parallel Talossan calendar, to add a little colour. It would be no different than inventing a language, would it? But not abandon the Gregorian unilaterlaly. I have trouble remembering the date under normal circumstances. I'm not agin it, but all things in moderation. It might be a good exercise in practical use of the Talossan language, and that can't be a bad thing.
Economy and finance is a bit "blue sky". I have no opinion. There are financial needs which may become apparent now, like internet address fees, or incorporation, if it isn't off the table now, I think thats more of a priority.
Provincial assignment is an old and distinctly boring topic. The current system is fairly random and personally I'm okay with that. If you want your province to get moving its sort of up to you to galvanise your fellow citizens into action.
Yes, away with Imperialism!
As Ián pointed out below, there already is a standard time for Talossa. Having a claim to some ground in the US anchors us in some sort of physical reality, so I don't think its necessary to reinvent the wheel on this point.
Email sounds good. What about a PM system too-then if you don't necessarily want to share your email on this discussion board, you can still be reached. Its not a must or anything but it might be kinda cool.
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| | Iensâ Ovéir | March 26, 2006 - 16:34 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Re. Calendar Reform: I'm with those who have suggested that it would be rather complicated to remove Talossa from the calendar which the rest of the world uses. I don't see anything wrong with emphasising use of Talossan names for days and months, but I don't believe we need a whole new calendar just for the sake of it. (Also, what if we got terribly suspersitious people looking in who decided not to join a nation with thirteen months?!) Additionally, I've never felt that my menstrual cycle was something worth being the basis of a calendar...
Re. Provinces: As someone who lives in a bitty country, it's disheartening sometimes to notice that pretty much everywhere I visit on the internet is rather America-focussed. Unfortunate, but true. (Um...no offence, Americans. (-: ) Anyway, my point is that until we demonstrably have equal numbers of citizens from every corner of the globe, changing the provinces to reflect land area is going to result is some provinces being bloated. Not to mention, I think it's a good thing if people in a province don't necessarily have all the exact same culture.
Would you also be reccommending changing everyone's province right now? I'm not very involved with mine, but I know some people have put a lot of time and energy into their province, and I wouldn't like to see that shaken up much.
Re. Measurement: I'm all for going to the metric system properly. It just makes so much more sense!!
Re. Time: I don't thing we need something as complicated as Internet Time, nor do I think we need to move to another timezone. What I would like to see is something purely selfish - I can never remember how many hours different to New Zealand time Talossa is, and so counting down times to starts and ends of elections etc. means I have to do, like, maths. (Yes, maths. Not math.) The real-time Talossa/where I am clock in your Time page is very nifty, and would be cool to have somewhere on the Talossan webpages. And, to make things easier for me, it would be nice if when official "Things will start/end at XX o'clock Talossan time" posts are made, there was a link to another page with a list of what the time will be in other timezones. (The only benefit to using GMT time for me is that most of the year it's exaclty twelve hours different to NZ, and thus easier to calculate from.)
Re. Email addresses: Good idea! I'd want it to allow me to pull it in with outlook or with my other email addresses, though, otherwise I'd never remember to check it. Or have a link to the email from Witt, and have the login be the same as for Witt, so I don't need to remember another password, but can easily check it online.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 26, 2006 - 19:37 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Re. Calendar Reform: I'm with those who have suggested that it would be rather complicated to remove Talossa from the calendar which the rest of the world uses. I don't see anything wrong with emphasising use of Talossan names for days and months, but I don't believe we need a whole new calendar just for the sake of it. (Also, what if we got terribly suspersitious people looking in who decided not to join a nation with thirteen months?!)...
Actaully, there is nothing complicated about it and adopting this calendar will not be for the sake making a change. What we use in Talossa does not effect what the rest of the world uses or does. It only effects us. The only time it becomes and issue is if we deal with the outside world, which we do not do a lot of, or at all, as a governemnt or even a country. As long as we have a clear translation for the calendar and time it will be really easy.
When was the last time Talossa interacted directly with the outside world? We, as citizens of our macronations have, but not as Talossan. The issue becomes something as simple as translation. When you deal with the macroworld - if you want to converse with them you translate it into something they understand - whether it is the language, units of measurement or time. The same steps will be taken for the calendar, but this is not something that we will really have to deal with for quite a while. This will be especially viable if a clear calender is kept on our website to reference dates from.
I am thinking that you see the advantage of such a system? There are quite a few advantages and it simplifies life a bit. I do not think that we need to change the names at all. I do not see any advantage to it. The existing names work fine, but to overlay Talossan names would be interesting from a cultural standpoint.
> Re. Provinces: As someone who lives in a bitty country, it's disheartening sometimes to notice that pretty much everywhere I visit on the internet is rather America-focussed. Unfortunate, but true. (Um...no offence, Americans. (-: ) Anyway, my point is that until we demonstrably have equal numbers of citizens from every corner of the globe, changing the provinces to reflect land area is going to result is some provinces being bloated. Not to mention, I think it's a good thing if people in a province don't necessarily have all the exact same culture.
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> Would you also be reccommending changing everyone's province right now? I'm not very involved with mine, but I know some people have put a lot of time and energy into their province, and I wouldn't like to see that shaken up much.
What I have shown is an example and a very rough one at that. I am not sure what the most effective way is to reassign the provinces, but I feel that a change is needed, and if we are to change it, we should do so sooner than later. Later will be met with much more resistance and be harder to effectuate. Most of my proposals embrace Talossa being a E-State (Ephemeral State) which not something that everyone ascribes to.
> Re. Time: I don't thing we need something as complicated as Internet Time, nor do I think we need to move to another timezone. What I would like to see is something purely selfish - I can never remember how many hours different to New Zealand time Talossa is, and so counting down times to starts and ends of elections etc. means I have to do, like, maths. (Yes, maths. Not math.) The real-time Talossa/where I am clock in your Time page is very nifty, and would be cool to have somewhere on the Talossan webpages. And, to make things easier for me, it would be nice if when official "Things will start/end at XX o'clock Talossan time" posts are made, there was a link to another page with a list of what the time will be in other timezones. (The only benefit to using GMT time for me is that most of the year it's exaclty twelve hours different to NZ, and thus easier to calculate from.)
If I can program a script to handle Decimal Time it is not complicated! =) The Decimal Time is more of an added bonus. Something that sits in the background and is something that people can use if they like. It is something that can generate interest. It has been used and suggested in the past and it is likely to be recommended in the future. This will just set us ahead of the curve and may generate some interest in Talossa. =)
Having the times in each province on each provincial page is a good idea and having what the official time in Talossa is on the website is also a ver good idea as well.
All countries use GMT time by virtue of being in a time zone, it is just and official point of reference.
Txec Ereufighleu
Secretary of State A one man stampede towards an opportunity to be chivalrous. MJBIII
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| | President Anglatzarâ | March 26, 2006 - 14:48 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I will comment upon your six areas of proposals, one by one.
1. Calendar Reform. Talossa does not exist in a vaccuum, but inside the borders of USA. Most of the nation's dealings are with the huge neighbour that surrounds us. Suddenly shifting to a different calendar system than the USA (and the rest of the world) would be hugely impractical. I am dead set against this proposal.
2. Economy and Finances. As this isn't a full-fledged proposal but just a thought, I won't comment on it. Sure, let's look into it.
3. Provincial Assignment Reformation. You write: "The current Provincial Assignments as stated by Title II Section 5 of the Federal Code is very US-centric and I am pretty sure that this is a result from the old, traditional days of the Kingdom of Talossa when a intelligent young man could not see that his micro-nation could truly span the world."
This isn't correct. First, Talossa doesn't span the world, our borders are well-defined. Our nation is in Wisconsin, nowhere else. We do have citizens world-wide, but that's a completely different thing. Second, the provincial assignment scheme has been worked out based on historical trends, to give the provinces a roughly equal amount of citizens. Most of our citizens have been from North America, and most likely it will stay that way. Since Talossa is a North American country, this is no bad thing. Your example would, for instance, doom Maritiimi and Maricopa to having no citizens at all, and swell Florencia to have half of the nation's citizens. I am dead set against this proposal.
4. Standardizing Measurement. Go Metric? Sure, why not. I can't think properly in Imperial anyway. And leading the way for our big neighbour would be a good way.
5. Standardizing Time. You write: "I recommend that we select one time zone as the offical time zone for the (federal) 'Government' of the Republic of Talossa."
Er, we already have one. Talossa does not exist in a vaccuum, but inside the borders of USA. Talossa is a North American country, situated in Wisconsin. We must use the same time zone as Wisconsin. You can't seriously suggest that it should be 6 PM in Talossa while all the Cestours have their lunch breaks? That we should let Noon happen at the break of dawn in Talossa?
6. Talossan Email. I'm all for this one, and it's dead easy to implement. We just need to money to pay the ISP hosting talossa.com.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 26, 2006 - 19:00 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Introduction
I should address a few things so that everyone kind of understands where I am coming from here. I have a few biases and thoughts here that will help to put all of this in perspective. And I know that not everyone will feel the same.
Talossa's land claims are something that I do not hold a lot of stock in. Unless Talossa is going to make a concentrated drive to get all of the Americans in the parts of Milwaukee that we "claim" to become Talossans then this is something that is holding us back. I do not see that we would be so brazen as to make an attempt like that. I realize that this is fundamental to the formation of Talossa, its history and traditions, but I feel that it is holding us back.
<gets ready to dodge the pitchforks and torches
We should say screw the Montevideo Convention's requirement of land and embrace that we are an Ephemeral State and one day, when the time is right, challenge it. Most likely it will not be in our lifetimes, but maybe someday.
I also believe that Talossa can be a shining example of what nations should strive to be. We can set a wonderful example for the rest of the world to take notice of. We should not be afraid to challange tradition to find and embrace a new and more efficient lifestyle and laws. Forward into the future without fear!
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> 1. Calendar Reform. Talossa does not exist in a vaccuum, but inside the borders of USA. Most of the nation's dealings are with the huge neighbour that surrounds us. Suddenly shifting to a different calendar system than the USA (and the rest of the world) would be hugely impractical. I am dead set against this proposal.
I am curious what dealings has the Republic of Talossa had with the United States?
I fully understand that Talossa is not in a vacuum. I am hoping you can see the advantage of this type of calendar. What we do as a country has basically nothing to do with the US or any other country. It does not and will not effect them at all. This is really practical if we embrace our status as a Ephemeral Nation. There are definite advantages to the International Fixed Calendar and adopting it will simplify the lives of Talossans who follow it. We will have to keep the Gregorian Calendar as a secondary calendar because that is what the rest of the world uses and ensure that there is an effective and clear translation to and from each. In the unlikely event that we do interact with another country or business the process will be quite simple. If we correspond with a nation that has a different language, units of measurement, time, or calendar then we will do what the rest of the world does - tanslate. We are not even reinventing the wheel. We would be using an already created and, in my opinion, superior wheel.
> 3. Provincial Assignment Reformation. You write: "The current Provincial Assignments as stated by Title II Section 5 of the Federal Code is very US-centric and I am pretty sure that this is a result from the old, traditional days of the Kingdom of Talossa when a intelligent young man could not see that his micro-nation could truly span the world."
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> This isn't correct. First, Talossa doesn't span the world, our borders are well-defined. Our nation is in Wisconsin, nowhere else. We do have citizens world-wide, but that's a completely different thing. Second, the provincial assignment scheme has been worked out based on historical trends, to give the provinces a roughly equal amount of citizens. Most of our citizens have been from North America, and most likely it will stay that way. Since Talossa is a North American country, this is no bad thing. Your example would, for instance, doom Maritiimi and Maricopa to having no citizens at all, and swell Florencia to have half of the nation's citizens. I am dead set against this proposal.
You have a good point there. The intro to this post really applies to this subject. My example is a very rough and needs a lot of work. Something to think about...
> 5. Standardizing Time. You write: "I recommend that we select one time zone as the offical time zone for the (federal) 'Government' of the Republic of Talossa."
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> Er, we already have one. Talossa does not exist in a vaccuum, but inside the borders of USA. Talossa is a North American country, situated in Wisconsin. We must use the same time zone as Wisconsin. You can't seriously suggest that it should be 6 PM in Talossa while all the Cestours have their lunch breaks? That we should let Noon happen at the break of dawn in Talossa?
As far as I have read in National Register, this is not codified. I have no idea what Talossan Standard Time is. =( I kind of assume that it is US Central Standard Time, but I am not really sure. It would make sense if that is what it is; we should set it down in our laws.
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| | President Anglatzarâ | March 27, 2006 - 04:18 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > We should say screw the Montevideo Convention's requirement of land and embrace that we are an Ephemeral State and one day, when the time is right, challenge it. Most likely it will not be in our lifetimes, but maybe someday.
As much as I vigorously oppose this idea, it makes me very happy to see that someone is formulating political ideas for Talossa's future that radically challenge those of the ruling government. This bodes well for the political vitality of the nation!
As for micronations that already espouse the idea of virtual nations, there are some listed in dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Micronations/Non-territorial. I don't know how many of these that are still active, but some of them are.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 16:58 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> As much as I vigorously oppose this idea, it makes me very happy to see that someone is formulating political ideas for Talossa's future that radically challenge those of the ruling government. This bodes well for the political vitality of the nation!
I heartily endorse these comments from Dp. Anglatzarâ, and would only add that it makes me increasingly sad that the Progressives didn't run in the last Chamber election. Perhaps they will at least endorse a candidate in the upcoming Presidential election?
> As for micronations that already espouse the idea of virtual nations, there are some listed in dmoz.org/Society/Issues/Micronations/Non-territorial. I don't know how many of these that are still active, but some of them are.
Reunion's on there? Things might have changed since the late '90s, but back then Reunion were claiming an island off the coast of Mauritius.
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Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 17:10 |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Perhaps they will at least endorse a candidate in the upcoming Presidential election?
If only you knew how many tears I shed! =(
I have no presidential aspirations myself, however, endorsing a candidate is something I defintely have to start considering. I have not heard from Antonio or Marti in quite some time and I am the only active member. Who would be a good ally for the Progressive agenda.... hmmmmm...
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