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| RE: Txec's Proposals | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 15:22 | | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 17:13 |
| Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 15:22 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25971), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 17:13. Viewed 158 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert Group: admins (4379 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29) Citizen #33: James O'Neill |
> Having Talossan names for the days and months would be an interesting cultural exercise, but there is no real need for any more work.
You are aware that there already exist Talossan names for the days and months of the Gregorian calendar, right? I wonder whether you wanted to go "Year Zero" and start from scratch with a 13-month calendar, or just make up one extra month name. If the latter, I want it named after me. It would be cool to be born on Wednesday the 13th of Schivâ. :)
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 17:17 |
| Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 17:13 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25972), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 17:17. Viewed 177 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu Group: citizens (847 posts total) (last post: March 12, 2008 - 12:13) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > You are aware that there already exist Talossan names for the days and months of the Gregorian calendar, right? I wonder whether you wanted to go "Year Zero" and start from scratch with a 13-month calendar, or just make up one extra month name. If the latter, I want it named after me. It would be cool to be born on Wednesday the 13th of Schivâ. :)
Oh, that's right. It's on the front page of the Talossa.com. I had forgotten about that. A name for the 13th month would have to be assigned. The suggestions have ben Midi or Sol, and then of course we would need a Talossan name as well. How about Coop?
Even less work than I had imagined. The Talossan names are already done. Cool!
"Year Zero"
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 16:30 |
| Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 15:22 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25964), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 16:30. Viewed 189 times. |
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E.S. Börnatfiglheu Group: citizens (739 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 11:06) Citizen #33: James O'Neill |
> The International Fixed Calendar would be uniquely Talossan in that we would be the only country to use it and the only country that is in the unique position to be able to adopt it. This calendar offers definite advantages that will benefit our citizens in the future.
Advantages such as..? If there are definite advantages, then I'm all about hearing them. But so far as I can see, you've outlined no real, tangible, concrete advantage for the adoption of the International Fixed Calendar.
> Show me when the Government of Talossa in any official capacity has dealt with the United States or any other entity that is not or another micronation. Our citizens live their macronational lives in their macronations. The virtue of that does not mean that Talossa has had relations with their respective macronations or other entities. This is an important distinction to maintain. What our citizens do does not equate to what Talossa does.
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> Whether or not you are preternaturally lazy does not mean that this is not a better calendar that will benefit Talossans. This is the type of thinking that I am specifically addressing in Progress and Change.
Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
> The time will come when the Senat shall rise. It is not dead, so lets not chop its head off quite yet. Aggressive and tempered immigration measures can help correct this.
Why do we have one? Whats the need for a bicameral legislature, if not to provide voices to disparate corporations (The people in one case, the provinces in the other)? Do the provinces, as bodies in themselves, have a vested interest in the way Talossa is run? I dont honestly think so, nor do I think we will develope to any such point in the near future. Most provinces, even those of significant size, lack any sort of basic institution! Putting more strain on manpower, since the C.O.D. will grow as the Republic does, unnecessarily, isn't healthy micronationalism. LEts vest the power in on parliament accountable to the people and bring extra infrastructure in only when there is a demonstrated need for it.
Eric S. Kildow, Speaker
Third Chamber of Deputies
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Túischac'h
Tierçéu Camerâ
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
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| | Iensâ Ovéir | March 27, 2006 - 17:27 |
| Parent message | | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 16:30 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25973), posted by Iensâ Ovéir, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 17:27. Viewed 167 times. |
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Iensâ Ovéir Group: citizens (212 posts total) (last post: February 04, 2008 - 02:55) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
This is precisely how I feel - continually having to translate* dates would not be fun for me. It may be a novely for a while, but it would, I think, in the end become enough of a hassle as to discourage me from wanting to participate.
*Not that the simple translation of month names wouldn't be cool. But a new calandar is a whole new way of thinking.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 16:56 |
| Parent message | | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 16:30 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25967), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 16:56. Viewed 196 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu Group: citizens (847 posts total) (last post: March 12, 2008 - 12:13) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > Advantages such as..? If there are definite advantages, then I'm all about hearing them. But so far as I can see, you've outlined no real, tangible, concrete advantage for the adoption of the International Fixed Calendar.
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> Ok, so the government of Talossa has not had truck with the macronational world. But that doesn't change the fact that we live in a macronational world. Should we ask our citizens to translate dates continually in order to participate in Talossa? I'd say, only for a very good reason! Reasons that have yet to be provided.
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This is taken almost wholey from my proposal document.
Such a calendar will greatly simplify the way that we think of dates and schedule events. Each day of the month will always fall on the same day each and every month. There will be no guessing as to when the 5th of any month is as it will always be on the same day. We will not have to guess how many days there are in the month as there will always be 28. By virtue of all months having the same number of days it is:
* easier for budgeting and paying employees
* easier to monitor time based trends
* easier to schedule recurring events
* in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
> Why do we have one? Whats the need for a bicameral legislature, if not to provide voices to disparate corporations (The people in one case, the provinces in the other)? Do the provinces, as bodies in themselves, have a vested interest in the way Talossa is run? I dont honestly think so, nor do I think we will develope to any such point in the near future. Most provinces, even those of significant size, lack any sort of basic institution! Putting more strain on manpower, since the C.O.D. will grow as the Republic does, unnecessarily, isn't healthy micronationalism. LEts vest the power in on parliament accountable to the people and bring extra infrastructure in only when there is a demonstrated need for it.
I cannot make an educated comment on this. I will let those who are more informed about political processes answer this. Having a few more voices that are voted directly by the people of their respective provinces to help represent us is in the government is a good idea. As it stands if there is someone on a party list that we do not like we have to suffer through it. In the CoD we vote directly for a party and not for people. Senators are voted directly for the person and not the party.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 17:36 |
| Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 16:56 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25974), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 17:36. Viewed 189 times. |
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E.S. Börnatfiglheu Group: citizens (739 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 11:06) Citizen #33: James O'Neill |
> * easier for budgeting and paying employees
> * easier to monitor time based trends
> * easier to schedule recurring events
> * in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
Here are many things which our government doesn't have to do. We dont yet have employees to pay nor things to budget... and yet I dont see how it would be easier. You're paid on the first of every month, its not much of a stretch to figure out when you're paid next.
> When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
If we're going to include the Gregorian dates... why not just use the Gregorian dates. PArt of my hesitancy in IFC use comes from the fact that our current notions of time and date-keeping are quite ingrained. I dont see changing it unless there are great benefits behind doing so.
> I cannot make an educated comment on this. I will let those who are more informed about political processes answer this. Having a few more voices that are voted directly by the people of their respective provinces to help represent us is in the government is a good idea. As it stands if there is someone on a party list that we do not like we have to suffer through it. In the CoD we vote directly for a party and not for people. Senators are voted directly for the person and not the party.
True, the COD is a party list system. However, it would be a mistake to think that parties do not take personalities into account when compiling their party lists. They must bow to the will of the electorate, and if the electorate detests somebody, then they'd be foolish to place them too prominently on a list.
There has been discussion regarding moving to a personality based system, but no such plan has managed to garner significant support (if I'm wrong here, somebody let me know). I think the strain on our manpower would outweigh the benefits garnered by putting in a personality house of parliament.
Eric S. Kildow, Speaker
Third Chamber of Deputies
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Túischac'h
Tierçéu Camerâ
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 20:08 |
| Parent message | | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 17:36 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25977), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 20:08. Viewed 205 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu Group: citizens (847 posts total) (last post: March 12, 2008 - 12:13) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > > * easier for budgeting and paying employees
> > * easier to monitor time based trends
> > * easier to schedule recurring events
> > * in tune with approximate lunar calendar.
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> Here are many things which our government doesn't have to do. We dont yet have employees to pay nor things to budget... and yet I dont see how it would be easier. You're paid on the first of every month, its not much of a stretch to figure out when you're paid next.
These are not things that our government has to do... yet! Whether we do it now or not is irrelevant. To not prepare for the eventuality of having money in our government is to shoot ourselves in the foot. Frankly, I do not like pain. I like my foot just fine without a hole it. =) Eventually we will have a budget, taxes, and Talossan businesses that pay taxes and people that will schedule life in a Talossan manner. I would prefer to do it with this calender than the archaic Gregorian Calendar. Lets get used to something better. Lets use the better wheel, instead of the square one. Let Talossa promote a better more efficient way of life.
Some people are paid on the first of the month, and some, such as me and most everyone I know, are paid ever 2 weeks. Bugeting for a strict 4 week month is so much easier than with months that have fractional weeks. It will not require a stretch to figure out. Why stretch if you do have have to. Once this is adjusted to it will simplify life. It does change the way that you think about it, but also simplifies it.
> > When would we have to translate the Calendar? At this point almost never, atleast until the time comes that we have to deal with governments or entities outside of Talossa. In the mean time our citizens and government will plenty of time to get used to it. At this time there will be almost no need to translate the Calendar to "participate in Talossa". The only time it might be an issue is during Elections and things of this sort. If this is adopted well the Gregorian Dates will be included for those who are not familiar with the International Fixed Calendar.
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> If we're going to include the Gregorian dates... why not just use the Gregorian dates. PArt of my hesitancy in IFC use comes from the fact that our current notions of time and date-keeping are quite ingrained. I dont see changing it unless there are great benefits behind doing so.
I do understand. It is ingrained in our lives and it is what everyone is used to. Because it is what you are used does not mean that it is right or the best solution out there. There have been many attempts as calendar reform and why do you think they failed. Because people do not like change. People are willing to live with inefficiencies and annoyances in their lives because it is what they are used to and do not want to change or do not know how to change something. Fear, close mindedness, and obstinance are what keeps progress from happening.... or maybe I am a Crazed Zealot! =)
Why do we include the Gregorian Dates as well? To allow people to adjust to the new calendar and be able to associate the 2 calendars. You just cannot quite a calendar cold turkey like someone might be able to quite smoking. That is not realistic. It will take some time. Some time with both of the Calendars. Even if everyone in Talossa was used to it and loved it we would still need to keep a good reference for those from outside Talossa that find us interesting or wish to learn our calendar. We can start Calendar Reform Revolution.... Maybe =) I am a Crazed Zealot. Ughh!!
Let us set the standard for what a better government and life can be. Let Talossa be the new Standard. Shoot for the Stars People. Prepare for the inevtitable greatness that Talossa is destined for.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 21:03 |
| Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 20:08 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25978), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 21:03. Viewed 204 times. |
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E.S. Börnatfiglheu Group: citizens (739 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 11:06) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | Talossan businesses? People scheduling their lives around Talossa?
This smacks of a landed, territorially sovereign Talossa... something I think will never happen. Though I'm unwilling to say never, because thats an awfully broad word.
Under our current conditions, I'm afraid I just dont see a point in calendar reform.
Eric S. Kildow, Speaker
Third Chamber of Deputies
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Túischac'h
Tierçéu Camerâ
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
A mind all logic is like a knife all blade. It makes the hand bleed that uses it.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 21:14 |
| Parent message | | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | March 27, 2006 - 21:03 |
| RE: Txec's Proposals(#25979), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 21:14. Viewed 212 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu Group: citizens (847 posts total) (last post: March 12, 2008 - 12:13) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | People will not schedule their lives around Talossa, they will schedule their lives in a Talossan fashion.
I have specifically spoken against the Territorial Soverign possibility so that is not it. There is a future for Talossa. Whatever it is, it is up to us to prepare for it as best we can. If we only prepare for a neat internet club then that is all Talossa will become. If you prepare for more then if just might become more. =)
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 21:21 |
| Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | March 27, 2006 - 21:14 |
| As to taxes and budget...(#25980), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], March 27, 2006 - 21:21. Viewed 206 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert Group: admins (4379 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | I would say that inevitably Talossa will come up against the "real money and real property" problem - if only to the extent that we need to find some sustainable way to keep our national webspace in operation. At the moment the deal is that the President of the Republic organises this with the Database Administrator, and currently both Chris and M-P are keeping that running out of the goodness of their hearts and wallets. Not a long-term sustainable option. At some stage we will at least need to start charging some (very small) level of "taxation" (or membership fee, for the less derivative among us) to pay for domain registrations, shiny ID cards, etc. And unless e-gold.com has been taking down by the cops by then, it seems a pretty efficient way to organise the transfer of small sums of money internationally without hefty foreign exchange fees.
There's also the question of perhaps setting up a "real-life" non-profit corporation which could "legally own" Talossa's physical, online and intellectual property. We need to make it clear that Talossa's intellectual property is not the private property of any one person or clique of persons. I would not support turning the Republic into such a corporation itself because that would mean that our Constitution and Laws would have to conform with whatever macronational jurisdiction we registered in. But perhaps a non-profit corporation, with all current citizens listed as shareholders, over which the President of the Republic was automatically declared CEO, would be an efficient option. Or even we could have such a corporation jointly with the Kingdom.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 28, 2006 - 13:56 |
| Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | March 27, 2006 - 21:21 |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ Group: admins (1303 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 03:56) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | Nova Roma
It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | March 28, 2006 - 15:44 |
| Parent message | | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 28, 2006 - 13:56 |
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la garçâ malpadert Group: admins (4379 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > Nova Roma
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> It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán / Prime Minister of the Talossan Republic
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | March 29, 2006 - 11:51 |
| Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | March 28, 2006 - 15:44 |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ Group: admins (1303 posts total) (last post: March 13, 2008 - 03:56) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > > Nova Roma
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> > It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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> I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
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Tthink, from what I can find on the internets, that in America they draw a distinction between the Directors of a company and its Officers. So the Chamber of Deputies would be the Directors, and the executive the Officers. That may be a way out of the difficulty. But I'm, no expert in the matter, so I'll let wiser heads contribute their thoughts, if any.
I understand M-P and Grubi were investigating these points last year at any rate-what were their conclusions, if any?
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| | Üc Tärfâ | March 29, 2006 - 10:12 |
| Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | March 28, 2006 - 15:44 |
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Üc Tärfâ Group: citizens (1365 posts total) (last post: March 10, 2008 - 08:29) Citizen #33: James O'Neill | > > Nova Roma
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> > It looks as though they incorporated their constitution into the by-laws of their non-profit corporation.
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> I noticed that, but I thought that was relatively easy with their constitution (Consul and Senate = CEO and Board of Directors) as opposed to our parliamentary-style system with separation of powers. If someone could mock up a way to do that with the Constitution of the Talossan Republic, I'd be most intrigued.
What about Parlamînt = Board of directors President= CEO ?
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