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| Tell me, where is fancy bred? In the heart or in the head? | la garçâ malpadert | June 06, 2006 - 17:03 | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | June 06, 2006 - 17:23 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | June 06, 2006 - 17:03 |
| RE: Tell me, where is fancy bred? In the heart or in the head?(#26949), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], June 06, 2006 - 17:23. Viewed 107 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | Giving up land claims does not mean that we are not Talossa. It means that we are changing, evolving, maturing and going our own direction. What was done in the past does not mean that it was correct or best for the our present situation.
Giving up land claims does not mean that we would not be a micronation and it would not be a harbinger that foretells the end of Talossa. We would transition from a non-territorial sovereign with an illusion to a non-territorial sovereign. The only way that our land claims mean anything is if we make a hard drive to truly convince the inhabitants of Milwaukee area's that we claim to join Talossa and officially secede from the US. I am curious if this is seriously on someone's agenda either here or in the Kingdom? Somehow, I do not think that it is.
Are you saying that a primary factor to the Commonwealth of Penguinea cessation was due to giving up land claims?
Giving up these Land Claims would be to let down an illusion - to rid ourselves of a lie that helps to "fortify" our existence. The illusory truths that we hold dear will cause the card house to crumble. and allow us to move on to bigger and greater things.
Again, this is just the Radical Crazed Progressive Pot Stirrer stirring the pot.
=)
Thanks for listening.
Move along people. Move along!
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| | la garçâ malpadert | June 06, 2006 - 17:54 |
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Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | June 06, 2006 - 17:23 |
| RE: Tell me, where is fancy bred? In the heart or in the head?(#26951), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], June 06, 2006 - 17:54. Viewed 98 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> Giving up these Land Claims would be to let down an illusion - to rid ourselves of a lie that helps to "fortify" our existence. The illusory truths that we hold dear will cause the card house to crumble. and allow us to move on to bigger and greater things.
You could be quoting my good friend E. Gallagher from 1999. He was wrong then, and I think you're wrong now. Talossa is a micronation, that is, a small organisation which pretends to sovereignty over a territory. It will not be Talossa if it becomes something different.
A question: exactly why did you join Talossa and not some other micronation? What is it about Talossa that makes it better than the run of the mill, in your opinion?
Miestrâ Schivâ
Seneschál dal Repúblicâ Talossán etc.
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Andy | June 06, 2006 - 18:50 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | June 06, 2006 - 17:54 |
| I'd love to answer that, if you'll forgive the butting-in.(#26956), posted by Andy, [IP Hidden], June 06, 2006 - 18:50. Viewed 123 times. |
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Andy
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > A question: exactly why did you join Talossa and not some other micronation? What is it about Talossa that makes it better than the run of the mill, in your opinion?
I know that wasn't directed to me, but when I saw it I had to think about it for .14 seconds before the answer was clear-- it was because of the people involved. Not the language, the territorial claims, or the "pageantry." Many have been drawn by the language and then stayed for the people. Few, if any, were ever serious about claiming land that, in reality, belonged to them anyway, and stayed for the others involved. The pageantry (by which I mean the politics and the monarchy) attracted some, too, and some of those folks stayed for their newfound peers as well.
Are you having a different experience?
Andy
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| | President Anglatzarâ | June 07, 2006 - 03:29 |
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Parent message | | Andy | June 06, 2006 - 18:50 |
| RE: I'd love to answer that, if you'll forgive the butting-in.(#26972), posted by President Anglatzarâ, [IP Hidden], June 07, 2006 - 03:29. Viewed 117 times. |
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President Anglatzarâ
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > > A question: exactly why did you join Talossa and not some other micronation? What is it about Talossa that makes it better than the run of the mill, in your opinion?
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> I know that wasn't directed to me, but when I saw it I had to think about it for .14 seconds before the answer was clear-- it was because of the people involved. Not the language, the territorial claims, or the "pageantry." Many have been drawn by the language and then stayed for the people. Few, if any, were ever serious about claiming land that, in reality, belonged to them anyway, and stayed for the others involved. The pageantry (by which I mean the politics and the monarchy) attracted some, too, and some of those folks stayed for their newfound peers as well.
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> Are you having a different experience?
Partly. I joined because it is a perfect mock-up country, with territory, a foreign language, parliament, political parties. In equal measure, I specifically never joined Penguinea/Polyphony because it was yet another of an endless number of virtual debating socities trying to develop a perfect direct democracy. This is the literal truth, not something I'm making up to further some sort of argument.
On the other hand, had it not been for the people, I wouldn't have stayed on either. Sometimes, though, I think the trappings of a nation are more important than the specific people to me. I don't know. Both are vital.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | June 06, 2006 - 17:53 |
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Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | June 06, 2006 - 17:23 |
| Peculiarism at work!(#26950), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], June 06, 2006 - 17:53. Viewed 106 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > Are you saying that a primary factor to the Commonwealth of Penguinea cessation was due to giving up land claims?
Of course this would be a falsified history. The Free Commonwealth of Penguinea aped Talossa in claiming land on a tiny island in a bay near Brisbane, Australia. This claim was given up at some time, and possibly that was beginning of a process that lead to the abolishion of the idea / pretense of being a micronation.
But the mistake that we made was not to give up on land claims on St. Helens Island, Queensland, Australia. The mistake was to give up on the wish to remain, be, become a howsoever big or small or tiny nation or state of mind, as the GWP once tried to suggest (yes, I have to admit that I left the true path of Peculiarism at this time, and surrendered to a pale "realism"). More precisely put, the mistake was the wish to establish a fun-proof, strictly rational "internet community" which would never condone to any pretense.
As a Peculiarist, I should have known better - which was why I re-introduced Peculiarism to the brandnew Republic of Talossa, once my citizenship application sailed through.
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