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the Hats and the Caps(#32252), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], March 07, 2008 - 05:16. Viewed 275 times.
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Dermot		I've been pondering whether a two-party system wouldn't add a little excitement to our elections. That and maybe some totally unfair winner take all system of voting that would mean you could lose by a whisker and still not get elected. PR is tedious.*

But what would the cleavage be? Some SERIOUS ridiculous ideology that would get everbody's temprature rising? One answer occured to me yesterday evening.

This requires a small detour into Swedish history, so the President may find this very familiar, and you do have permission to skip this part. In the 18th century the big question in Sweden was whether to ally with France or Russia. the pro-French party were known as the Hats, and their rivals the pro-British (later pro-Russian )party known as the Caps.

The latter was a pejorative name thought up by the Hats based on the Caps' boring sleepy policy of peace and prosperity, which suggested that they preferred their night caps to bucaneering around the Baltic with the French. The Hats name came from the ceremonial three-cornered hat worn by the members of the house of nobles in the Swedish Estates.

That sartorial elegance is a must is I think something everyone can agree on. And it is as rational as any other partisan division. And what precisely define a hat and a cap would allow for infinite possibilities of factionalism. The actual policy of the nation can be hammered out semi-rationally, but the actual fireworks and party identification shoud be simply a matter of pulling a head covering. Or not. Perhaps the third party could be the bare heads?






*while perfectly good thing in all other contexts invovling life, death and taxes.

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the Hats and the CapsEp Inxheneu CrovâMarch 07, 2008 - 05:16
la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 05:43
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    		• Ep Inxheneu CrovâMarch 07, 2008 - 05:16
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    Dermot    		> I've been pondering whether a two-party system wouldn't add a little excitement to our elections.

    Been there, done that, Dermot. There were two two-party elections before you joined and everyone was bored stupid by them. We yearned for a new party or two to make things more interesting. We got them and I for myself are much happier. We've even had a political party based on a completely bogus historical parallel before - the Guelphs.

    Anyway, I reiterate what the outgoing Seneschál says - all the tinkering with the political system won't make a lick of difference around here. Why don't you do something that adds to the cultural life of this Republic?



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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hMarch 11, 2008 - 04:30
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    la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 05:43
    Birds, bugs, and fish!!(#32270), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], March 11, 2008 - 04:30. Viewed 260 times.
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    President AnglatzarâMarch 07, 2008 - 06:08
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    la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 05:43
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    Dermot    		> Anyway, I reiterate what the outgoing Seneschál says - all the tinkering with the political system won't make a lick of difference around here. Why don't you do something that adds to the cultural life of this Republic?

    To be fair, I'd say that our Ep. has done that aplenty in the past.

    I agree that two-party elections didn't do the trick for us, which is a pity because reviving the Hats and Caps obviously appeals to me. And the depth of your knowledge amazes me. Few Swedes know what that was all about, even if they should remember the names of the parties, or camps.
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâMarch 07, 2008 - 11:38
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    Dermot    		Wikipedia make me smart. Though I left out the bit about Charles XII being the second gunman on the grassy knoll though.

    Just one more thing. I like tinkering constitutionally. Nobody else has to! The joy is in the giving.

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    la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 06:30
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    We need a new paper war!(#32255), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], March 07, 2008 - 06:30. Viewed 283 times.
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    Dermot    		> > Anyway, I reiterate what the outgoing Seneschál says - all the tinkering with the political system won't make a lick of difference around here. Why don't you do something that adds to the cultural life of this Republic?
    >
    > To be fair, I'd say that our Ep. has done that aplenty in the past.

    True, dat. I miss Liberançéu. I'm going to be bringing QI back afte rthe election, so why don't we channel this junkyard-dog growling and snapping into a good, old fashioned, Talossan newspaper war?



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    Davïu RôibeardétMarch 07, 2008 - 11:07
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    la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 06:30
    Newspaper wars only lead to one thing..(#32256), posted by Davïu Rôibeardét, [IP Hidden], March 07, 2008 - 11:07. Viewed 272 times.
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    Dermot    		Paper combat using paper airplanes and origami boats. And of course those oh so stylish paper hats!

    I'm kidding. Newspaper war would be great, it would add a little something to the place. Too bad there isn't enough news to print around here.
    D. N. VercáriâMarch 07, 2008 - 13:41
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    Dermot    		> Paper combat using paper airplanes and origami boats. And of course those oh so stylish paper hats!
    >
    > I'm kidding. Newspaper war would be great, it would add a little something to the place. Too bad there isn't enough news to print around here.

    Who said that newspapers literally have to be "news"papers? It could also be magazines in which brainy guys are ranting away about the benefits of fun in the micronational environment, including special observations that were made in the Republic of Talossa.

    As for news, good news is news that is blown out of proportion. Big headlines, brief fragments of text:

    SCHIVÂ SWEARS OFF DIRIGISM
    (Maricopa) Rumours are in the air according to which Miestrâ Schivâ has been
    overheard swearing off dirgism. Presently there is no confirmation to be had,
    but being asked for a comment, her opponent, S:reu Vercáriâ already hinted
    that he might approve of this. "I could possibly approve of this," he said,
    according to yet another nameless source.

    GUBNER DAL MAR ENDORSES FUN IN POLITICS
    (Maricopa> "Fun in politics is essential", he nodded, while sipping from an
    ice-cold drink, sitting in a lazy West Texan Maricopan sun on
    the porch of his domicile. "So if voters considered to vote for me, I might add
    a healthy dose of sillyness to our politics." S:reu Vercáriâ already hinted
    that he might approve of this. "I could possibly approve of this," he said,
    according to yet another nameless source.

    VERCÁRIÂ THROWS HAT IN THE RING
    (Cézembre) "Now wait a minute," he says, "this may or may not happen. Actually
    I'm not even wearing a hat. Anyway it's a fact that Presidential elections are
    due in May. I might throw a ring into the hat of President Anglatzarâ, though."
    Experts don't know what to make of this enigmatic whispering.

    Or something.

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    la garçâ malpadertMarch 07, 2008 - 15:52
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    D. N. VercáriâMarch 07, 2008 - 13:41
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    Dermot    		> As for news, good news is news that is blown out of proportion. Big headlines, brief fragments of text:

    The funny thing is that all Dieter's examples, if you changed the names, could have been taken directly from Mad King Bob's old paper, Støttaneu. :)

    Which makes me think that Deet should be writing a paper as well. Or a column for QI. Howsabout it? I should point out, and this may disappoint people, that the old days of an 8-page monthly QI are gone because of my increased workload. I'm envisaging a 2-page monthly-at-least QI - one page of news/analysis, one page of editorial in English and Talossan - expandable to 4 pages if for some reason a bunch of material drops from the sky.

    > Rumours are in the air according to which Miestrâ Schivâ has been
    > overheard swearing off dirgism.

    Bunch of nonsense, by the way. While I'm no longer in favour of unnecessary constitutional or legal tinkering, the ZRT programme says that the elected government should take primary responsibility for either making cultural initiatives or tapping other citizens on the shoulder and asking them to make such initiatives - assuming that spontaneous grassroots enthusiasm isn't enough. Legislative dirigism has had its day, but executive dirigism has not even gotten started. :)

    > I might throw a ring into the hat of President Anglatzarâ, though."
    > Experts don't know what to make of this enigmatic whispering.
    > A long history is fine, a long future is better.

    Every presidential election we'd had after our first has been a boring one-sided contest. If you do something to change that you'll be a Hero of the Republic for sure. Hell, it could be a test of Dermot's "two-party contests are more exciting" theory.



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    D. N. VercáriâMarch 07, 2008 - 17:12
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    Dermot    		> > As for news, good news is news that is blown out of proportion. Big headlines, brief fragments of text:
    >
    > The funny thing is that all Dieter's examples, if you changed the names, could have been taken directly from Mad King Bob's old paper, Støttaneu. :)

    I didn't intend to ape Stöttaneu, but now I remember that one thing that almost attracted me to King Ben's Talossa in 1996 has been its satirical bone. In fact I was so impressed, inspired and even envious that much of that spirit slipped into the web pages of Textor back in the 90s. In my native language, of course, which made it much easier to light bizarre fireworks of puns.

    > Every presidential election we'd had after our first has been a boring one-sided contest. If you do something to change that you'll be a Hero of the Republic for sure. Hell, it could be a test of Dermot's "two-party contests are more exciting" theory.

    Competing and winning in an election is one thing, to do one's duties and to make sense in the highest office that one can be elected into in our Republic for an entire year is yet another pair of shoes. Two years ago, when we were going to elect our second President, guarding continuity and traditions of our young Republic may have been a main theme; now we are possibly seeking for guidance and inspiration in a phase when some instances of the old way of having fun seem to have worn out out a bit.

    I'll challenge our good President Anglatzarâ once I've come to believe that I'd have something to offer that he hasn't, and if there's no doubt that I'll be able to keep up a President's good work for one entire year, especially under circumstances when the Republic is endangered by some sort of a final sleeping sickness. If I can't promise to be a hornet that will perpetually try to sting the Republic into staying alive for yet another year, then I will not run in the election just for a short flash in the pan. So bear with me. ;-)

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    President AnglatzarâMarch 08, 2008 - 04:48
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    Dermot    		> I'll challenge our good President Anglatzarâ once I've come to believe that I'd have something to offer that he hasn't, and if there's no doubt that I'll be able to keep up a President's good work for one entire year

    The first one is obvious: Of course you do, we all know that. The second one I am convinced of.

    I am going to seek a second term and I will fight you all the way. I'm sharpening the stakes already, old zombie bear.
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    D. N. VercáriâMarch 08, 2008 - 06:26
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    Dermot    		> > I'll challenge our good President Anglatzarâ once I've come to believe that I'd have something to offer that he hasn't, and if there's no doubt that I'll be able to keep up a President's good work for one entire year
    >
    > The first one is obvious: Of course you do, we all know that. The second one I am convinced of.
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    > I am going to seek a second term and I will fight you all the way. I'm sharpening the stakes already, old zombie bear.

    I'd just need a bit of a special toothpaste to brush my fangs. ;-)

    As for the statements above, I thank you for your confidence in me. But it's not so much a question of what I was able to do in the past, it's a question of what I'll be able to do in the future - and this is a question to myself. Recently I felt emotionally and physically exhausted, because of circumstances that were in no way related to Talossa. So before I can promise that I will try to be a good head of the state for 12 months in a row, I have to get out of this mental low.

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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâMarch 07, 2008 - 11:35
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    Dermot    		> I'm kidding. Newspaper war would be great, it would add a little something to the place. Too bad there isn't enough news to print around here.

    Yo Dave, its up me (hack) to bitch about you (Public Figure) not completing my existence by making Talossa funny. You have been warned. Liberançéu will make stuff up if all of you Deputies keep not talking after the votes are in.

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