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Flo Cons 2008(#210), posted by Art Verbotten, [IP Hidden], January 03, 2008 - 22:03. Viewed 312 times.
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Here it is.
I thank Dave for being a pest about getting this done. It's easy to lose interest when you've been doing this for 24 years.


There's a few fill in spots in the document because we never really discussed how long the Gov. should sit. Dave suggested 4 years (I think). I think for Talossa, 2 years would be plenty but I'm easily persuaded.

There were also specific banners decided on. Could someone post the one we decided on. I have the coat of arms artwork but not the means to leave it on this site. This cons mentions the Governors commission on flags and coats of arms. That would be what JP and Dave showed me via e-mail.

Let me know if I missed something big. Hopefully I managed to remove all the Cosa, Senator, and royal references that use to exist in sections of precursor documents to this.:-)


Eif


Rough Draft-- Full Florencian Constitution


Preamble

We are pioneers.

At no previous time in the existence of Talossa, had a province been formed out of the belly of another until Florencia was born. While other Talossans co-opted and developed tracts of land set aside for them by the government, turning them into fantasy fiefdoms, only one province was founded on the same principles of democracy and freedom that the Republic itself was found upon.

We are Florencia

Taking the name of a former Talossan ruler, King Florence, Florencia is one of the few provinces that after being settled, was actually developed by the native population. We took great pride is this and fought to keep our sovereignty even when greater powers looked to take it away from us. When the great revolution of 2004 took place, Florencia followed the newly formed Republic away from the darkness of tyranny and into the light of a true democratic state.

On this day December 26, 2007, Florencians affirm our beliefs and adopt this Constitution of the Province of Florencia. We affirm ourselves to the preservation of life, liberty and safeguard the law. The articles contained herein prevail over provincial laws preceding them. As Talossa is more than just the sum of its parts, so too is this province.

Viva la Florencia!


The Geography:

I. We proudly name our province “Florencia” or in proper Talossan “La Provincu Florencia”.

II. The province lies within the following confines: From North Avenue running east to Prospect Avenue, from Prospect Avenue southwest to Kane Street. Kane Street northwest to Farwell Avenue, Farwell Avenue southwest to Brady Street, Brady Street west to Warren Avenue, Warren Avenue north to the Boyleston Street. From Boyleston Street west to the Milwaukee River, and the Milwaukee River north to North Avenue.

III. All lands and islands man made or naturally forming in Florencian territorial waters are irrevocably part of the provincial territory.

IV. The Provinical Capital will be the “Landmark Building” located on the corner of East Kenilworth and North Farwell Avenue, home of the Landmark Theatre. Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province and reassume the honor of being the provincial capital. The domicile would then adopt the name “manor” prefaced with the Street name (i.e. Irving Manor)

V. The official languages of Florencia are English and Talossan.

The Citizenry:


VI. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".

Flags and Coats of Arms:

VI. Florencia will have flags, which will have further definition pending the “Governor’s Commission on Flag Creation”. When the flags are created they will appear as “Schedule 1” in this Constitution.

VII. Florencia will have a coat of arms, which will have further definition pending the “Governor’s Commission Coat of Arms Creation.” When this coat of arms is created, it will appear as “Schedule 2” in this Constitution.

VIII. The provincial anthem shall be “Built A Little Empire” by “They Might Be Giants.” It is a reminder of where we came from.


Florencian Government: The Rave

IX. Governmental Organization: Florencian Government consists of a parliamentary democracy within the federal structure of the Talossan Republic. The sole legislative body will be a single house known as The Rave. The provincial Governor will oversee this body as well as advise on all internal affairs.

X. The Governor of Florencia is the proprietor of the Province and it is his responsibility to maintain its livelihood. Because of this he must have been a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year and have held a government post (such as member of a cabinet, or a justice of the court) or been an active member in the legislative chamber for at least one session. The Governor has the following duties and powers:

a. He may legislate on behalf of the province.
b. He may amend the Constitution only with majority approval of The Rave or by the recommendation of an appointed committee of his choosing consisting of two or more independent members of the Rave.
c. He is held accountable for promoting the interests and heritage of Florencia.
d. He is required to sing our sacred anthem, “Built A Little Empire”, as his solemn oath of office.
e. He has the power to veto legislation passed by The Rave if he feels that it is unconstitutional or in some way detrimental the health and prosperity of the province. His veto may be over-ridden by a 2/3 rds majority vote of the Rave.
f. He shall maintain one seat in The Rave, but may only use that vote to resolve “legislative gridlock”.
g. His signature is required on all bills passed by The Rave before they become law.
h. The Governor will also have duties pertaining to provincial elections that are specified later in this document.


XII. The Legislature:

The Rave shall be composed of all people who have full Talossan citizenship that are assigned to Florencia Province in accordance with the immigration laws of the Kingdom of Talossa. Each citizen shall have a voice in this body as long as they are "settled citizens" of the province, unless:

-they are otherwise reprimanded by some official court of the kingdom,
-they have been reprimanded by some established provincial court granted that power.
-they decide, by their own resolve, not to be involved

A citizen who chooses not to vote on legislation presented to the Rave may do so on three consecutive occasions after which he forfeits this right. To regain the voting privilege, he must petition the Rave to have his legislative voting rights restored or ask for a pardon from the provincial governor. This “non participation forfeiture” clause does not apply to general elections.


XIII Elections:

All Florencian elections will be held under the recognized Talossan principles of the times. all eligible citizens will be contacted and the province as a whole will be responsible for contacting inactive citizens to inform them of their necessity to vote.
The person put in charge of running any given election will be officially given the temporary title of “Election Commissioner”.

At the beginning of each election an updated citizen contact sheet will be distributed to each candidate and the election commissioner in order to assist with the campaigning and contacting of citizens. This list will be assembled and provided by the Governor.

Gubernatorial Elections:
E. Elections for Governor will be run once every ________, making adjustments so as not to be in conflict with the Talossan general elections. A majority vote of the voting citizens is needed to win this election.

F. A governor is responsible for calling timely elections and making timely appointments of election commissioners. It is the citizens duty to remind the Governor when he is negligent in calling elections

G. Gubernatorial elections will be run by an election commissioner appointed by the Rave and will follow common election guidelines regarding voting.

H. The length of the Gubernatorial elections will be 2 weeks or until all eligible voters have cast their ballots.

I. Voters will cast a single vote for a single candidate on their ballots and will be allowed a 24 grace period in which they may change their vote to another candidate or retract their vote altogether. Each voter may change their vote only once per election cycle.

J. There will be no time deduction from a Governors term due to stalemates in the voting system The acting Governor will maintain his position until the new governor is sworn in and from that time the new governor will begin his designated service.

K. The final judgments regarding elections shall come from the election commissioner.

XIV
All civil rights guaranteed by Talossan law shall be upheld by Florencia.


This constitution supercedes all previous constitutions put forth by this province and was officially commuted to law by an official declaration from the Provincial Governor and founder John Eiffler, with consensus approval from her citizens on January XX, 2008.

Long Live Talossa
Viva La Florencia

Founder & Governor

John Eiffler-Art Verbotten
Flo Cons 2008Art VerbottenJanuary 03, 2008 - 22:03
Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuFebruary 06, 2008 - 15:06

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    This is with some modifications of my own: Please look it over carefully. =)

    The Constitution of Florencia

    I - Preamble

    We are pioneers.

    At no previous time in the existence of Talossa, had a province been formed out of the belly of another until Florencia was born. While other Talossans co-opted and developed tracts of land set aside for them by the government, turning them into fantasy fiefdoms, only one province was founded on the same principles of democracy and freedom that the Republic itself was found upon.

    We are Florencia

    Taking the name of a former Talossan ruler, King Florence, Florencia is one of the few provinces that after being settled, was actually developed by the native population. We took great pride is this and fought to keep our sovereignty even when greater powers looked to take it away from us. When the great revolution of 2004 took place, Florencia followed the newly formed Republic away from the darkness of tyranny and into the light of a true democratic state.

    On this day December 26, 2007, Florencians affirm our beliefs and adopt this Constitution of the Province of Florencia. We affirm ourselves to the preservation of life, liberty and safeguard the law. The articles contained herein prevail over provincial laws preceding them. As Talossa is more than just the sum of its parts, so too is this province.

    Viva la Florencia!

    II - The Geography

    1. We proudly name our province “Florencia” or in proper Talossan “La Provincu Florencia”.
    2. The province lies within the following confines: From North Avenue running east to Prospect Avenue, from Prospect Avenue southwest to Kane Street. Kane Street northwest to Farwell Avenue, Farwell Avenue southwest to Brady Street, Brady Street west to Warren Avenue, Warren Avenue north to the Boyleston Street. From Boyleston Street west to the Milwaukee River, and the Milwaukee River north to North Avenue.
    3. All lands and islands man made or naturally forming in Florencian territorial waters are irrevocably part of the provincial territory.
    4. The Provinical Capital will be the “Landmark Building” located on the corner of East Kenilworth and North Farwell Avenue, home of the Landmark Theatre. Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province and reassume the honor of being the provincial capital. The domicile would then adopt the name “manor” prefaced with the Street name (i.e. Irving Manor)
    5. The official languages of Florencia are English and Talossan.

    II - The Citizenry

    1. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa and be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".

    IV - Flags and Coats of Arms

    1. Florencia will have flags, which will have further definition pending the “Governor’s Commission on Flag Creation”. When the flags are created they will appear as “Schedule 1” in this Constitution.
    2. Florencia will have a coat of arms, which will have further definition pending the “Governor’s Commission Coat of Arms Creation.” When this coat of arms is created, it will appear as “Schedule 2” in this Constitution.
    3. The provincial anthem shall be “Built A Little Empire” by “They Might Be Giants.” It is a reminder of where we came from.

    V - Florencian Provincial Government

    1. Governmental Organization: Florencian Government consists of a parliamentary democracy within the federal structure of the Talossan Republic. The sole legislative body will be a single house known as 'The Rave'. The provincial Governor will oversee this body as well as advise on all internal affairs.
    2. Governor of Florencia (GoF)  - is the proprietor of the Province and it is his responsibility to maintain its livelihood. Because of this he must have been a Talossan citizen for at least 3 months. The Governor has the following duties and powers:
      1. He is held accountable for promoting the interests and heritage of Florencia.
      2. He is required to sing our sacred anthem, “Built A Little Empire”, as his solemn oath of office.
      3. He may legislate on behalf of the province.
      4. He may amend the Constitution only with majority approval of The Rave or by the recommendation of an appointed committee of his choosing consisting of two or more independent members of the Rave.
      5. He has the power to veto legislation passed by The Rave if he feels that it is unconstitutional or in some way detrimental the health and prosperity of the province. His veto may be over-ridden by a 2/3 rds majority vote of the Rave.
      6. He shall maintain one seat in The Rave, but may only use that vote to resolve “legislative gridlock”.
      7. His signature is required on all bills passed by The Rave before they become law.
      8. The Governor will also have duties pertaining to provincial elections that are specified later in this document.
      9. If the Governor doesn't fulfill his duties for more than three months without just cause, the Rave may call to impeach him.
    3. Electoral Commissioner (EC)
      1. is appointed by the Governor and is approved by the Office of the Secretary of State and may be a standing office.
      2. may not be the acting or current Governor, is in charge of overseeing and maintaining the voting process within the province..
      3. will be advised and assisted by the Office of the Secretary of State as needed or requested.
    4. The Legislature (The Rave)

      The Rave shall be composed of all people who have full Talossan citizenship that are assigned to Florencia Province in accordance with the immigration laws of the Republic of Talossa. Each citizen shall have a voice in this body as long as they are "settled citizens" of the province, unless:

      • they are otherwise reprimanded by some official court of the Republic,
      • they have been reprimanded by some established provincial court granted that power.
      • they decide, by their own resolve, not to be involved

    VII - Elections and Voting

    All Florencian elections and voting will be held under the recognized Talossan principles of the times. All eligible citizens will be contacted and the province as a whole will be responsible for contacting inactive citizens to inform them of their necessity to vote.

    Gubernatorial Elections:

    1. Elections for Governor will be run once every 6 months in may, making adjustments so as not to be in conflict with the Talossan general elections. A majority vote of the voting citizens is needed to win this election.
    2. A governor is responsible for calling timely elections and making timely appointments of Electoral Commissioners. It is the citizens' duty to remind the Governor when he is negligent in calling elections
    3. Gubernatorial elections will be run by the Electoral Commissioner.
    4. The length of the Gubernatorial elections will be 2 weeks or until all eligible voters have cast their ballots.
    5. Voters will cast a single vote for a single candidate on their ballots and will be allowed a 24 grace period in which they may change their vote to another candidate or retract their vote altogether. Each voter may change their vote only once per election cycle.
    6. There will be no time deduction from a Governors term due to stalemates in the voting system The acting Governor will maintain his position until the new governor is sworn in and from that time the new governor will begin his designated service.
    7. The final judgments regarding elections shall come from the Electoral Commissioner.

    VIII - All civil rights guaranteed by Talossan law shall be upheld by Florencia.

    This constitution supercedes all previous constitutions put forth by this province and was officially commuted to law by an official declaration from the Provincial Governor and founder John Eiffler, with consensus approval from her citizens on January XX, 2008.

    Long Live Talossa

    Viva La Florencia

    John Eiffler-Art Verbotten: Founder & Governor



    Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuFebruary 06, 2008 - 14:54

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    The Rave
    A citizen who chooses not to vote on legislation presented to the Rave may do so on three consecutive occasions after which he forfeits this right. To regain the voting privilege, he must petition the Rave to have his legislative voting rights restored or ask for a pardon from the provincial governor. This “non participation forfeiture” clause does not apply to general elections.


    This needs to be removed in its entirety. Has any other country had this? This seems a little crazy to me.
    Once you are a citizen you are always a citizen unless something is done, as is mentioned in a previous article about the courts. This is not a right that should be arbitrarily stripped.

    Elections
    At the beginning of each election an updated citizen contact sheet will be distributed to each candidate and the election commissioner in order to assist with the campaigning and contacting of citizens. This list will be assembled and provided by the Governor.


    This should be removed for the sake of privacy. Email addresses should just not be distributed. Albeit most are not worried about other Talossans having their email addresses, but there may be someone who is not keen on it.

    This is more under the purview of the Secretary of state. The Electoral Commissioner should be approved and overseen and edvised by the Office of the Secretary of State. The Election Commissioner could ask the SoS to notify all Florencian Citizens of the Vote and pass it onto them, or if in our current case where we have a mailing list type setup we could use that.

    Perhaps we could add:

    The Electoral Commissioner is appointed by the Governor and is approved by the Office of the Secretary of State who will advise and assist the Electoral Commission as needed or requested. The Electoral Commissioner may be a standing office and may not be the acting or current Governor.


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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuFebruary 06, 2008 - 14:25

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    I left out most of which was repeated from my other post and had no further comment on or changed my mind.

    Preamble
    Wasn't there a redone Preamble some where. I am recoding the Constitution so it easier to read and I want to make sure it is up to date.

    Florencia Gov
    a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year and have held a government post (such as member of a cabinet, or a justice of the court) or been an active member in the legislative chamber for at least one session.


    I am not sure if this is in the best interests of Talossa on a whole. It would be ideal, I think, if Provincial Governorship be one of the first stepping stones to a political life here in Talossa.

    A much more powerful and influential position in the Chamber requires only that they cannot be a Senator, High Court Justice, Secretary of State or President of the Republic. It is so much easier to get into the premier law making body of the Republic than it is into the Provincial Governorship.

    Perhaps reducing the time rquirement to equal the 3 month settling period could be reasonable, and strike the previous experience requirement.

    The Rest
    I will try to take a look at the last half tomorrow or Friday.
    Really I will this time. =)


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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuJanuary 04, 2008 - 10:28

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    Well written.

    Geography

    Provincial Borders: I have not comment on the Provincial borders and will leave that to those who are more knowledgeable.

    Languages: Someone might have an issue with declaring provicial languages. I happen to like it.

    Capital: I would prefer this to be set as the site for the historical capital.

    Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province and reassume the honor of being the provincial capital. The domicile would then adopt the name “manor” prefaced with the Street name (i.e. Irving Manor)


    I will most likely be in the minority here being the raving loony progressive here, but I would like this stricken from the constitution as there is no way to enforce this as Governor's residence. Perhaps adding language which shows that this is the case from a purely historical standpoint and that would be OK, other than that it seems to be there for the sake of the words.

    Citizenry
    VI. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa and be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".


    I am not sure how I feel about this. One of the primary reasons for me to join has been the political aspect. This may reduce someones desire to become a citizen if they cannot vote privincially right away, assuming that there is an election that is soon available up becoming a citizen. Hmmm... Needs more discussion I think.

    Flag and Coat of Arms
    No Comment

    Florencia Gov
    a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year and have held a government post (such as member of a cabinet, or a justice of the court) or been an active member in the legislative chamber for at least one session.


    I am not sure if this is in the best interests of Talossa on a whole. It would be ideal, I think, if Provincial Governorship be one of the first stepping stones to a polotical life here in Talossa. A much more powerful and influential position in the Chamber requires only that they cannot be a Senator, High Court Justice, Secretary of State or President of the Republic.

    Perhaps reducing the time rquirement to equal the 3 month settling period, assuming that we keep it, could be reasonable, and strike the previous experience requirement.

    Legislature: There are two mentionings of the Kingdom here that need to be corrected.
    I am not sure what to say about this. It strikes me as something. I need to think about this part some more.



    I will take some more time later to look at the rest of the Constitution.
    Good work so far.


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    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 21:55

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    > Well written.

    Thanks. It's easier to get the points across after three tries.:-)
    >
    > Languages: Someone might have an issue with declaring provicial languages. I happen to like it.

    This is a leftover of the fantasy fiefdom era. i.e. JJ made German a recognized provincial language because then he could make official decrees in German if he wanted to. I've left the language thing in here more as a guide so that any officers of the province (Governors, Judges, Ravers) know that all official writs of the province be in either Talossan, English, or both!

    >
    Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province......
    (snip)

    > I will most likely be in the minority here being the raving loony progressive here, but I would like this stricken from the constitution....(snip)

    I disagree that this was here for sake of words. Typically Talossans living in Talossa made their flats, apartments, or homes the provincial capitols because that space was either owned by them, or at least controlled by them.

    It would be difficult to erect a statue of Florencia's founder within the current capitol because it is not owned by a Florencian. Now if I decided to make a sculpture of myself in my living room out of mashed potatoes, I can do this without incarceration.


    > Citizenry
    >
    VI. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa and be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".

    >
    > I am not sure how I feel about this. One of the primary reasons for me to join has been the political aspect. This may reduce someones desire to become a citizen if they cannot vote privincially right away, assuming that there is an election that is soon available up becoming a citizen. Hmmm... Needs more discussion I think.

    I did this to prevent a person from doing that very thing. We had some provincial jumping awhile back where folks would move to less populated provinces in order to take them over for political gains. When they failed they discussed jumping back. I don't want a tourist voting in my province. I'll have to check the Republic's Cons to see how easy it is to move around. Should have done that before I drafted this again, but hey.....that's what you guys are for. To point this crap out. If it's difficult to switch provinces we can kill this article.

    > Florencia Gov
    >
    a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year .........
    (snip)

    > I am not sure if this is in the best interests of Talossa on a whole. (snip)
    > Perhaps reducing the time rquirement to equal the 3 month settling period, assuming that we keep it, could be reasonable, and strike the previous experience requirement.

    I am flexible on this. I think Dave mentions 6 months below. I could live with that. I have no issue with someone using the Florencian Governorship as a stepping stone for greater politicking, but I'd like that person to season before doing so. Let the other provinces allow the idiots to jump in.

    > Legislature: There are two mentionings of the Kingdom here that need to be corrected.

    Where? I need specifics. I thought I got them all.

    >
    > I will take some more time later to look at the rest of the Constitution.
    > Good work so far.
    >
    Thanks Dad. :-)

    Thanks for the opinions. Please scrutinize the hell out of this. It's for all of us.


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    la garçâ malpadertJanuary 09, 2008 - 00:18

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    > I don't want a tourist voting in my province. I'll have to check the Republic's Cons to see how easy it is to move around.

    It's impossible, as a matter of fact - unless you move around in real life! Constitution I.3.2-3 states:

    2.
    a. Every citizen of the Republic who lives outside the territory of any Province shall be
    assigned to a Province by act of Parlamînt.
    b. The "citizens of a Province" shall include all citizens resident in the territory of that
    province, as well as any non-resident citizen assigned to that Province.
    3. Parlamînt shall assign non-resident citizens to provinces on the basis of their geographical
    residence. The assignment of citizens to a province shall not be changed without the
    approval of that province's legislature, if any.


    In other words: your provincial assignment is based on where you live, and it doesn't change unless (a) you shift to another part of the world, (b) Parlamînt changes the assignment laws and the affected provinces agree.



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    Art VerbottenJanuary 09, 2008 - 10:08

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    Thanks for the follow up Miestra.

    I was too busy last evening to hunt it down myself.



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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 04, 2008 - 12:20

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    Looks good to me. I see that you've removed the Magistrate position, which is well and good with me. I'm just happy to see something :)

    In hindsight, maybe a one year wait period for governor is a bit long. Let's cut it in half to six months. I feel we need some wait period. Waiting to run for governor means you've got the determination to stay in Florencia for awhile. I can't get used to that, Florencia. I'm so used to writing it Florenciâ. Guess I'll have to change the Bulldogs logo :D

    One more thing, I said some harsh things to our acting Governor and I'd like to apologize. It did get results though!
    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 22:04

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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 04, 2008 - 12:20
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    Dave,

    > In hindsight, maybe a one year wait period for governor is a bit long. Let's cut it in half to six months. I feel we need some wait period. Waiting to run for governor means you've got the determination to stay in Florencia for awhile. I can't get used to that, Florencia. I'm so used to writing it Florenciâ. Guess I'll have to change the Bulldogs logo :D

    Thanks for the input. I suggested the 6 month thing in response to Txec's critique. I may have answered a few more questions in my response to him in the thread above this.

    > One more thing, I said some harsh things to our acting Governor and I'd like to apologize. It did get results though!

    You'll be the first to see the Governor's Dungeon. Actually I've been dragging my feet on this since October so a crisp smack to the chops was in order any way.


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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 09, 2008 - 14:08

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    I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.

    I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.
    Art VerbottenJanuary 10, 2008 - 13:13

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    > I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.

    > I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.

    I wasn't sure we'd finalized anything on the flags and coats of arms so I left that part of the Cons open. The flag on the website looks fine to me. It'd be nice if Txec and JP gave us an "Amen" on this as well so I could include it on the schedule.

    I'll also await your Coat of Arms proposal. I'm sure it will be fine, but we still want everyone to see it and agree before we make it official.



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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 10, 2008 - 14:10

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    > > I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.
    >
    > > I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.
    >
    > I wasn't sure we'd finalized anything on the flags and coats of arms so I left that part of the Cons open. The flag on the website looks fine to me. It'd be nice if Txec and JP gave us an "Amen" on this as well so I could include it on the schedule.
    >
    > I'll also await your Coat of Arms proposal. I'm sure it will be fine, but we still want everyone to see it and agree before we make it official.
    >

    I assume that JP will have no objections to using HIS flag design :D But, I guess we need to make it official. Therefore, I submit my vote for the flag currently displayed on our provincial website.

    As for the Coat of Arms, I haven't seen what has been done to it yet.
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