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    		• Art VerbottenJanuary 03, 2008 - 22:03
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    James O'Neill    		Well written.

    Geography

    Provincial Borders: I have not comment on the Provincial borders and will leave that to those who are more knowledgeable.

    Languages: Someone might have an issue with declaring provicial languages. I happen to like it.

    Capital: I would prefer this to be set as the site for the historical capital.

    Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province and reassume the honor of being the provincial capital. The domicile would then adopt the name “manor” prefaced with the Street name (i.e. Irving Manor)


    I will most likely be in the minority here being the raving loony progressive here, but I would like this stricken from the constitution as there is no way to enforce this as Governor's residence. Perhaps adding language which shows that this is the case from a purely historical standpoint and that would be OK, other than that it seems to be there for the sake of the words.

    Citizenry
    VI. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa and be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".


    I am not sure how I feel about this. One of the primary reasons for me to join has been the political aspect. This may reduce someones desire to become a citizen if they cannot vote privincially right away, assuming that there is an election that is soon available up becoming a citizen. Hmmm... Needs more discussion I think.

    Flag and Coat of Arms
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    Florencia Gov
    a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year and have held a government post (such as member of a cabinet, or a justice of the court) or been an active member in the legislative chamber for at least one session.


    I am not sure if this is in the best interests of Talossa on a whole. It would be ideal, I think, if Provincial Governorship be one of the first stepping stones to a polotical life here in Talossa. A much more powerful and influential position in the Chamber requires only that they cannot be a Senator, High Court Justice, Secretary of State or President of the Republic.

    Perhaps reducing the time rquirement to equal the 3 month settling period, assuming that we keep it, could be reasonable, and strike the previous experience requirement.

    Legislature: There are two mentionings of the Kingdom here that need to be corrected.
    I am not sure what to say about this. It strikes me as something. I need to think about this part some more.



    I will take some more time later to look at the rest of the Constitution.
    Good work so far.

    Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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    A one man stampede towards an opportunity to be chivalrous. MJBIII
    Chairman of the Union for Talossan Progress

    RE: Flo Cons 2008Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuJanuary 04, 2008 - 10:28
    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 21:55
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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuJanuary 04, 2008 - 10:28
    RE: Flo Cons 2008(#213), posted by Art Verbotten, [IP Hidden], January 08, 2008 - 21:55. Viewed 280 times.
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		> Well written.

    Thanks. It's easier to get the points across after three tries.:-)
    >
    > Languages: Someone might have an issue with declaring provicial languages. I happen to like it.

    This is a leftover of the fantasy fiefdom era. i.e. JJ made German a recognized provincial language because then he could make official decrees in German if he wanted to. I've left the language thing in here more as a guide so that any officers of the province (Governors, Judges, Ravers) know that all official writs of the province be in either Talossan, English, or both!

    >
    Should a standing Governor move within the borders of the Province, their residence would be considered the focal point of the province......
    (snip)

    > I will most likely be in the minority here being the raving loony progressive here, but I would like this stricken from the constitution....(snip)

    I disagree that this was here for sake of words. Typically Talossans living in Talossa made their flats, apartments, or homes the provincial capitols because that space was either owned by them, or at least controlled by them.

    It would be difficult to erect a statue of Florencia's founder within the current capitol because it is not owned by a Florencian. Now if I decided to make a sculpture of myself in my living room out of mashed potatoes, I can do this without incarceration.


    > Citizenry
    >
    VI. All Florenicans must be citizens of the Republic of Talossa and be assigned to this province. Upon assignment, the citizen is not allowed to participate in voting for the first 3 months which are deemed a "settling period".

    >
    > I am not sure how I feel about this. One of the primary reasons for me to join has been the political aspect. This may reduce someones desire to become a citizen if they cannot vote privincially right away, assuming that there is an election that is soon available up becoming a citizen. Hmmm... Needs more discussion I think.

    I did this to prevent a person from doing that very thing. We had some provincial jumping awhile back where folks would move to less populated provinces in order to take them over for political gains. When they failed they discussed jumping back. I don't want a tourist voting in my province. I'll have to check the Republic's Cons to see how easy it is to move around. Should have done that before I drafted this again, but hey.....that's what you guys are for. To point this crap out. If it's difficult to switch provinces we can kill this article.

    > Florencia Gov
    >
    a Talossan citizen for at least 1 year .........
    (snip)

    > I am not sure if this is in the best interests of Talossa on a whole. (snip)
    > Perhaps reducing the time rquirement to equal the 3 month settling period, assuming that we keep it, could be reasonable, and strike the previous experience requirement.

    I am flexible on this. I think Dave mentions 6 months below. I could live with that. I have no issue with someone using the Florencian Governorship as a stepping stone for greater politicking, but I'd like that person to season before doing so. Let the other provinces allow the idiots to jump in.

    > Legislature: There are two mentionings of the Kingdom here that need to be corrected.

    Where? I need specifics. I thought I got them all.

    >
    > I will take some more time later to look at the rest of the Constitution.
    > Good work so far.
    >
    Thanks Dad. :-)

    Thanks for the opinions. Please scrutinize the hell out of this. It's for all of us.


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    la garçâ malpadertJanuary 09, 2008 - 00:18
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    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 21:55
    An attorney-general writes...(#215), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 09, 2008 - 00:18. Viewed 277 times.
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		> I don't want a tourist voting in my province. I'll have to check the Republic's Cons to see how easy it is to move around.

    It's impossible, as a matter of fact - unless you move around in real life! Constitution I.3.2-3 states:

    2.
    a. Every citizen of the Republic who lives outside the territory of any Province shall be
    assigned to a Province by act of Parlamînt.
    b. The "citizens of a Province" shall include all citizens resident in the territory of that
    province, as well as any non-resident citizen assigned to that Province.
    3. Parlamînt shall assign non-resident citizens to provinces on the basis of their geographical
    residence. The assignment of citizens to a province shall not be changed without the
    approval of that province's legislature, if any.


    In other words: your provincial assignment is based on where you live, and it doesn't change unless (a) you shift to another part of the world, (b) Parlamînt changes the assignment laws and the affected provinces agree.



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    Art VerbottenJanuary 09, 2008 - 10:08
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    la garçâ malpadertJanuary 09, 2008 - 00:18
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		Thanks for the follow up Miestra.

    I was too busy last evening to hunt it down myself.



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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 04, 2008 - 12:20
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    Túischac’h Txec EreufighleuJanuary 04, 2008 - 10:28
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		Looks good to me. I see that you've removed the Magistrate position, which is well and good with me. I'm just happy to see something :)

    In hindsight, maybe a one year wait period for governor is a bit long. Let's cut it in half to six months. I feel we need some wait period. Waiting to run for governor means you've got the determination to stay in Florencia for awhile. I can't get used to that, Florencia. I'm so used to writing it Florenciâ. Guess I'll have to change the Bulldogs logo :D

    One more thing, I said some harsh things to our acting Governor and I'd like to apologize. It did get results though!
    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 22:04
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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 04, 2008 - 12:20
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		Dave,

    > In hindsight, maybe a one year wait period for governor is a bit long. Let's cut it in half to six months. I feel we need some wait period. Waiting to run for governor means you've got the determination to stay in Florencia for awhile. I can't get used to that, Florencia. I'm so used to writing it Florenciâ. Guess I'll have to change the Bulldogs logo :D

    Thanks for the input. I suggested the 6 month thing in response to Txec's critique. I may have answered a few more questions in my response to him in the thread above this.

    > One more thing, I said some harsh things to our acting Governor and I'd like to apologize. It did get results though!

    You'll be the first to see the Governor's Dungeon. Actually I've been dragging my feet on this since October so a crisp smack to the chops was in order any way.


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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 09, 2008 - 14:08
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    Art VerbottenJanuary 08, 2008 - 22:04
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.

    I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.
    Art VerbottenJanuary 10, 2008 - 13:13
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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 09, 2008 - 14:08
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		> I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.

    > I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.

    I wasn't sure we'd finalized anything on the flags and coats of arms so I left that part of the Cons open. The flag on the website looks fine to me. It'd be nice if Txec and JP gave us an "Amen" on this as well so I could include it on the schedule.

    I'll also await your Coat of Arms proposal. I'm sure it will be fine, but we still want everyone to see it and agree before we make it official.



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    Davïu RôibeardétJanuary 10, 2008 - 14:10
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    Citizen #33:
    James O'Neill    		> > I thought that we had decided on a flag already. Unless someone else is going to submit one, we should go with the one displayed at Our Website.
    >
    > > I understand that JP is editing my submitted Coat of Arms as well and is almost finished. I haven't seen it yet, though.
    >
    > I wasn't sure we'd finalized anything on the flags and coats of arms so I left that part of the Cons open. The flag on the website looks fine to me. It'd be nice if Txec and JP gave us an "Amen" on this as well so I could include it on the schedule.
    >
    > I'll also await your Coat of Arms proposal. I'm sure it will be fine, but we still want everyone to see it and agree before we make it official.
    >

    I assume that JP will have no objections to using HIS flag design :D But, I guess we need to make it official. Therefore, I submit my vote for the flag currently displayed on our provincial website.

    As for the Coat of Arms, I haven't seen what has been done to it yet.
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