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| RE: Can my deputy take over? | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | May 15, 2007 - 18:24 | | Jay | May 16, 2007 - 10:15 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I've e-mailed Txec with the details of ballotbin and forwarded the nominations I received. I don't have the voters list with me but as I haven't deleted the last election from ballotbin it should still be there.
I will need a vacation to recover from all this!
Jay
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 16, 2007 - 01:39 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I should make it clear that the election will take two weeks to run by law. Which means that if we don't get it going sometime in the next 24 hours, there will be no President-elect on Calondâ Gün. Under Constitution II.1.7 and II.2.5(b) that means that the Speaker of the Chamber will take over those responsibilities until the Presidential election is complete (pause for evil cackle from the Túischac'h), so there's no real "vacuum", but it's still not a good look.
So you two sort things out sharpish, 'kay?
Miestrâ Schivâ
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Editor, Qator Itrìns
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 03:53 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | It ain't that easy. ;-)
Const. II,1.7: "If the President is not capable of or prevented from exercising his or her powers when required, or if his or her office falls prematurely vacant, his or her powers shall be exercised by the Mençéi for the remainder of the term of office, or until Parlamînt shall appoint a President Pro Tempore by law. The appointment of a President Pro Tempore must be approved by referendum."
One might argue that the Mençéi (the Túischac'h) can't fill the constitutional gap that would open if we won't have elected a new President before June 1, because the abovementioned part of the Constitution is about an absence of an elected President. The paragraph is explicitly talking about a premature vacancy, or circumstance under which the President can't exercise his or her powers; the paragraph says explicitly, that whosoever replaces the President will do this only for the remainder of the term of office.
The term of office of the Presidents ends on May 31, 24 h, and thus the provisions of Const. II, 1.7 will not apply past this moment. We won't have a President, if none is elected to follow suit, and thus the Mençéi (the Túischac'h) can't exercise Presidential powers as a deputy of the President.
I've already been talking to a Court Justice, who agreed on my assessment. We didn't have a solution at hands, were wondering if the Court would have to fill the gap; but the Constitution isn't giving any hints.
So the only real solution is to let the election begin ASAP. And the lawmakers might begin to ask themselves if it would make sense to fix the possible hole in the Constitution, either by introducing a period of grace during which the outgoing President would remain in the office until the successor has actually been elected, or by passing the power to the Court (not a good idea, maybe), or whatever else.
Oh, btw., I've also been talking to the deputy SoS a couple of days ago, to ask him if he could run the election in case of an absence of Jay. He told me that he was in doubt whether he could do this legally, because he is a Minister and thus, strictly according to Const. II, 3.14, not entitled to serve as SoS.
There it is, a big piece of food for thought and discussion and - action, please.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 16, 2007 - 07:10 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Dieter, by asking a legal opinion of a "Cort Justice" behind everyone's back and before a case has been taken, you have made that Justice officially ineligible to sit on any Cort case that comes out of this proceeding. I can't believe the President of the Republic was so legally irresponsible. Tell us which Justice it was, please.
Honestly, one would think that some people are *trying* to derail the Republic's constitutional processes.
Let's put it simply. Someone who acts for the SoS under the SoS's orders while the SoS is not around is NOT THE SOS and is thus under no constitutional prohibitions. Txec, run the election now. Anyone takes a case - in front of the sole Justice who Deet hasn't just disqualified through rank irresponsibility - I will act as your defence lawyer.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | Ián Txaglh | May 16, 2007 - 09:12 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Dieter, by asking a legal opinion of a "Cort Justice" behind everyone's back...
it is a lie, d:na Schiva. cos if it would be behind everyone's back, how would you know it? president has asked some-one better acquainted with talossan law (ie. court justice; it is not initiation of case, but legal consultation!!! we dont have lawyers in Talossa yet... fortunately ;) how to legaly solve the situation and then he published it. which fact points on that it was done behind anyone's back? was it the fact that they did not speak publicly, but face-to-face and then they publish it?
i am tired, i am damn tired by all of these pseudo-political problems you are picking up...
nurse! nurse!! NURSE!!! where is my bloody lancette?
PS. dare something worthy
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 16, 2007 - 15:45 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > it is a lie, d:na Schiva. cos if it would be behind everyone's back, how would you know it? president has asked some-one better acquainted with talossan law (ie. court justice; it is not initiation of case, but legal consultation!!! we dont have lawyers in Talossa yet... fortunately ;) how to legaly solve the situation and then he published it.
Ián, I know your English is not that good, but that is not what Dieter said at all. Nowhere does Dieter claim to have found a solution. Just reasons why the obvious solutions might be illegal. Fact: nothing is illegal unless a Cort decision says it is, and Dieter has just foolishly disqualified half the Court from making a formal decision on this.
Your willingness to defend the President of the Republic doing something unbelievably irresponsible and smashing the foundations of legality in this Republic just shows what the essence of Peculiarism is - mindless clique-politics, "if it is my friend then they must be always right". It's sickening.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | Ián Txaglh | May 17, 2007 - 05:32 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > it is a lie, d:na Schiva. cos if it would be behind everyone's back, how would you know it? president has asked some-one better acquainted with talossan law (ie. court justice; it is not initiation of case, but legal consultation!!! we dont have lawyers in Talossa yet... fortunately ;) how to legaly solve the situation and then he published it.
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> Ián, I know your English is not that good, but that is not what Dieter said at all. Nowhere does Dieter claim to have found a solution. Just reasons why the obvious solutions might be illegal. Fact: nothing is illegal unless a Cort decision says it is, and Dieter has just foolishly disqualified half the Court from making a formal decision on this.
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> Your willingness to defend the President of the Republic doing something unbelievably irresponsible and smashing the foundations of legality in this Republic just shows what the essence of Peculiarism is - mindless clique-politics, "if it is my friend then they must be always right". It's sickening.
i have never said that he had found solution (cos they had not, so stupid i am not), i have said: "president has asked some-one better acquainted with talossan law how to legaly solve the situation and then he published it." whitch siems to bee loosy inglysh, cos the last it relates not to published solution they found, but to the fact he published that he spoke with court justice. but did it he officially??? as president to court justice? or just dieter to someone who knows laws better?
i am far too stupid to understand the concept of talossan legality, obviously. cos i havent defended Dieter Hamm, but I would any Talossan citizen in such a position. i am far from thinking that mr. president is always right, cos we do not agree o many political issues. but definitely, i am sick of all this pseudo-factioning.
howgh.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 08:16 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Dieter, by asking a legal opinion of a "Cort Justice" behind everyone's back and before a case has been taken, you have made that Justice officially ineligible to sit on any Cort case that comes out of this proceeding. I can't believe the President of the Republic was so legally irresponsible. Tell us which Justice it was, please.
It is not a matter of asking for legal opinions for a lawsuit, it is a matter of coming to solutions for a nearing problem, real or perceived, that let me talk to a friend who was on AIM. If you are calling this a scandal, enjoy your game. I'm not going to play it with you.
> Honestly, one would think that some people are *trying* to derail the Republic's constitutional processes.
Really, I love your constructive contributions that are founded on the assumption that evil backstabbing conjurors are sneaking around to stir up shit to let the Republic derail whereever and whenever they can. For crying out loud, I see it as my duty to keep the Republic *from* derailing, and therefore I'm trying to fathom if there are solutions and ways out of possible dilemmas. Thank you for your friendly trustfulness.
> Let's put it simply. Someone who acts for the SoS under the SoS's orders while the SoS is not around is NOT THE SOS and is thus under no constitutional prohibitions. Txec, run the election now. Anyone takes a case - in front of the sole Justice who Deet hasn't just disqualified through rank irresponsibility - I will act as your defence lawyer.
Who has been talking about lawsuits? Btw., read my message correctly. Where did I say that the SoS issue has been debated with a Justice?
*groan*, *hmpf*, etc.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 16, 2007 - 07:15 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | My interpretation of the *spirit* of the Constitution is that the Mençei (and in their absence the Túischac'h) fills any casual vacancy in the Presidency until Parlamînt elects a President Pro Tempore, or until the next regularly scheduled election. If you don't like my interpretation, take me to Cort - or, at least, again, in front of that one Justice who you haven't disqualified through sheer negligence.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 08:44 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > My interpretation of the *spirit* of the Constitution is that the Mençei (and in their absence the Túischac'h) fills any casual vacancy in the Presidency until Parlamînt elects a President Pro Tempore, or until the next regularly scheduled election. If you don't like my interpretation, take me to Cort - or, at least, again, in front of that one Justice who you haven't disqualified through sheer negligence.
Again, I'm amazed how quick you are in spicing up a discussion with the advice to turn it into a Court case. I can see that our juridical branch is notoriously underemployed, but nonetheless, initialising an employment program for our High Court is not on my sikrit agenda.
Futhermore I'm amazed by the words that you are choosing - talking to fellow Talossans by AIM or ICQ or similar means of communication is "talking behind everyone's back"? You're kidding, aren't you? You must be kidding.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 16, 2007 - 15:48 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Again, I'm amazed how quick you are in spicing up a discussion with the advice to turn it into a Court case.
But... but Deet, if there is a problem with interpretation of the law, then turning it into a Court case is precisely what should happen. The job of the Government is to make things happen, not to try to find reasons why they shouldn't or can't happen. What's wrong with turning it into a Court case?
> Futhermore I'm amazed by the words that you are choosing - talking to fellow Talossans by AIM or ICQ or similar means of communication is "talking behind everyone's back"? You're kidding, aren't you? You must be kidding.
Undermining the independence of the High Court by asking their legal advice on something is an act of vandalism at the very foundations of our Constitution. The Court makes decisions, not gives advice. How the hell can Justice Gruber (for it is obviously he you speak of) make an impartial decision in the lawsuit that is obviously coming up now that he's already given you advice showing that he doesn't have an open mind on this issue?
If you don't understand why that is then it's a damn good thing that you will no longer be official "defender of the Constitution" in two weeks time. If there is no President on June 1, then I will certainly act according to my understanding of the Constitution and carry out the Presidential functions until there is one. You can either go along with this, or take me to Court to try to stop me.
Miestrâ Schivâ
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Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 17:19 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > Again, I'm amazed how quick you are in spicing up a discussion with the advice to turn it into a Court case.
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> But... but Deet, if there is a problem with interpretation of the law, then turning it into a Court case is precisely what should happen. The job of the Government is to make things happen, not to try to find reasons why they shouldn't or can't happen. What's wrong with turning it into a Court case?
I'm at least *trying* to find solutions other than "sack or sue" in our little world that may collapse under the load of an extra-Talossan reality occasionally.
> > Futhermore I'm amazed by the words that you are choosing - talking to fellow Talossans by AIM or ICQ or similar means of communication is "talking behind everyone's back"? You're kidding, aren't you? You must be kidding.
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> Undermining the independence of the High Court by asking their legal advice on something is an act of vandalism at the very foundations of our Constitution. The Court makes decisions, not gives advice. How the hell can Justice Gruber (for it is obviously he you speak of) make an impartial decision in the lawsuit that is obviously coming up now that he's already given you advice showing that he doesn't have an open mind on this issue?
See above. I know I could wait till a variety of our officials are failing to work like clockwork, and if they'd do, I could call for their heads (figuratively speaking). But Talossa is not working like this.
Look, I've possibly heard a lot more about what is going on behind the curtains of the idle MRP government than you did. If it would be of any help, I would dissolve the CoD immediately and call for a by-election, no matter if this would be the end of the MRP or not, just to take an imaginary need to act successfully off the shoulders of those who are in troubles in their real lives. But, y'know, this is not the problem, I've been told.
I'm not an egomaniac slavedriver who's pushing the party members over an edge only for his very own ridiculous bonsai glory.
As President, I'm not interested in being a bossy guy who is snarling at every cog that isn't moving synchronously.
During my term that is ending soon I've seen every so often that Talossa will never be working like clockwork, because the Talossans are living lives that will keep them from working like clockwork.
"Sack and sue" is not the solution for this. I don't have an alternative to offer. Honestly, I'm happy to know that the Republic will still be alive after my term. As Secretary of Polyphony I've not been that lucky, so there will be a decently hidden apres moi la deluge feeling on June 1.
And now get off my back, out of my thoughts, etc, at least for the last 40 minutes of this day.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 17, 2007 - 01:31 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 17:19 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > I'm at least *trying* to find solutions other than "sack or sue" in our little world that may collapse under the load of an extra-Talossan reality occasionally.
Suing is not exactly a disaster in a micronation. Exactly why do we have a Cort if we never expected anyone to sue for anything?
> Look, I've possibly heard a lot more about what is going on behind the curtains of the idle MRP government than you did.
The culture of secrecy, of the Hidden Peculiarists Clubhouse With No Unbelievers Allowed, is the worst thing about the MRP, IMHO. Why the hell do you, or the Seneschál, not just come out and tell us all what's really going on? I am severely sick and tired of the continual Peculiarist assertions that they know a secret that they can't possibly tell the rest of us but which makes every stupid thing they do okay.
Look I know about Dp. dal Mar's personal problems - and his O&C interview, where he talks about possibly bringing down the Government. I also know that Dp. Lowry doesn't want to be in party politics at all. I've heard vague hints that the Seneschál has had health difficulties. Is there anything else that we should know about that explains things?
> If it would be of any help, I would dissolve the CoD immediately and call for a by-election,
You should probably talk to your own party about this, but the ZRT thinks you should do so only if no stable government can be formed. The ZRT would prefer - after the current crop of legislation and the confidence vote are done - to simply put the Chamber in recess for a few weeks or even a month so that people can calm down.
> no matter if this would be the end of the MRP or not, just to take an imaginary need to act successfully off the shoulders of those who are in troubles in their real lives. But, y'know, this is not the problem, I've been told.
What really offends me is that the MRP yelled at us over and over again while they were in the opposition for our supposed inaction. Then they drew up a huge list of things they were going to do if they got elected. Then they got elected and nothing happened. It's party politics at its worse - it really seems like you guys just wanted the bragging rights of winning an election, but no understanding of how difficult being a Government is. Why do you think I quit as Seneschál? Certainly not because I thought there was no work left to do.
> "Sack and sue" is not the solution for this. I don't have an alternative to offer.
The ZRT does. I call about Dp. dàl Már to give us the chance to make it happen.
Miestrâ Schivâ
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Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 17, 2007 - 12:27 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 17, 2007 - 01:31 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Choose one:
[1] Strip poker in the Politbüro
[2] We killed Bambi
[3] Ugo lost the keys to our secret den
[4] In never rains in Southern California
:-P
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 17, 2007 - 15:32 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | So it's confirmed - the MRP fears and distrusts other Talossans? I could understand you guys not wanting to spill your internal policy discussions to your political enemies, but this is *serious* stuff. For God's sake, you guys, we are supposed to be all compatriots and friends here. If there are real nasty things going on in your extra-Talossan lives, your fellow Talossans want to know and would like to help in whatever way they can.
I say again - something has gone very wrong with Peculiarism if it is now the party which thinks it has to isolate itself from the rest of the Republic.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 17, 2007 - 17:19 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 17, 2007 - 15:32 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > For God's sake, you guys, we are supposed to be all compatriots and friends here.
Supposed to, yes. Practically, this hasn't been my main observation after the recent CoD election.
(long rant ommitted)
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 03:17 |
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > For God's sake, you guys, we are supposed to be all compatriots and friends here.
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> Supposed to, yes. Practically, this hasn't been my main observation after the recent CoD election.
Well, it's not my problem if some people are sore winners. Okay, let's be more precise. Eric has been polite in his political ripostes, if rather comatose on the job. Andy, Jim and Jan H have gotten on with the job. Ugo has been absent, possibly best for the mental health of all concerned.
There is only one Peculiarist who has gone out of his way to needle and provoke the ZRT opposition when we were simply doing our job to hold the government to account - and indeed seems personally offended that we don't approve of the government's policies or practice. It's that same Peculiarist who continually tried to pick personal fights during the election rather than concentrating on policies. It's the same Peculiarist who will be out of a job that he was never fit for in the first place in a couple of weeks, precisely because his duty to be head of state and defend the Constitution always came second to his duty to needle the Defencists - or, should I say, one Defencist in particular.
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Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | May 18, 2007 - 11:21 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 03:17 |
| I think we all need to step back a bit(#1220), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], May 18, 2007 - 11:21. Viewed 510 times. |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | And take a deep breath. We are all Talossans here-lest not allow a little thing like politics get in the way.
I'd hate to see anyone, escpecially two of our most distinguished citizens, despair of this country, certainly over election rhetoric. Lets try not to drive into the ditch. The Republic would be a poorer place without either of you.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 18, 2007 - 13:39 |
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Parent message | | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | May 18, 2007 - 11:21 |
| RE: I think we all need to step back a bit(#1222), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], May 18, 2007 - 13:39. Viewed 491 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > And take a deep breath. We are all Talossans here-lest not allow a little thing like politics get in the way.
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> I'd hate to see anyone, escpecially two of our most distinguished citizens, despair of this country, certainly over election rhetoric. Lets try not to drive into the ditch. The Republic would be a poorer place without either of you.
Thanks, Diarmuid.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | May 18, 2007 - 11:51 |
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Parent message | | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | May 18, 2007 - 11:21 |
| RE: I think we all need to step back a bit(#1221), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], May 18, 2007 - 11:51. Viewed 439 times. |
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E.S. Börnatfiglheu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | In this, I second S:reu Crova's opinion.
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Seneschal
Repúblicâ Talossán
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
MRP
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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| | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | May 18, 2007 - 10:32 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 03:17 |
| RE: If it comes to that...(#1219), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], May 18, 2007 - 10:32. Viewed 484 times. |
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E.S. Börnatfiglheu
Group: citizens
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Okay, let's be more precise. Eric has been polite in his political ripostes, if rather comatose on
> the job. Andy, Jim and Jan H have gotten on with the job. Ugo has been absent, possibly best for the
> mental health of all concerned.
Not to butt in here, but I would like to say a bit about my comatose-ness. A great deal of this has to do with my own administrative background and whatnot. As I pictured the Seneschal as a sort of collaborator in chief among the panel of Ministers. If I have not been particularly visible, it has been because I have not been needed there particularly. Perhaps my concept of Seneschal is completely wrong, but this is what my view has been.
As far as my sort of "pet-project" goes, the Virtual Haxh, it is going slowly. As with anything, getting a few people completely synced is like herding fruit bats and water buffaloes simultaneously. But here's hoping it'll work out.
Cheers,
Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Seneschal
Repúblicâ Talossán
DionysianArbiter@mail.com
MRP
Democracy is the art and science of running the circus from the monkey cage.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 19:17 |
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Parent message | | E.S. Börnatfiglheu | May 18, 2007 - 10:32 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > As I pictured the Seneschal as a sort of collaborator in chief among the panel of Ministers. If I have not been particularly visible, it has been because I have not been needed there particularly. Perhaps my concept of Seneschal is completely wrong, but this is what my view has been.
To some degree it is a style thing, and you are certainly more laid back than your two ZRT predecessors, which I don't object to. But the Constitution says that the Seneschál sets government policy and directs all the other Ministers - he or she is the buck-stops-here of the Government's work (as opposed to the President, who has to keep the whole bigger-picture of the Republic running smoothly). For that reason, it is the Seneschál who the people look to for explanations of what's going on in all government departments - not the least because you don't have a Ministry of your own. People wonder what you do with your Talossan-related time.
> As far as my sort of "pet-project" goes, the Virtual Haxh, it is going slowly. As with anything, getting a few people completely synced is like herding fruit bats and water buffaloes simultaneously. But here's hoping it'll work out.
A small step in what I would consider a right direction would be regular updates on where these and other Government projects are going. The ZRT made a conscious choice not to fill up the Chamber with Questions all the time, but we would expect you to do this without being prompted. This will of course make it easier to hand it over to your successor if you're out of a job come Tuesday. :-)
Miestrâ Schivâ
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Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
Eminençâ Grischun dels Zefençadéirs dàl Repúblicâ Talossán
VOTE [1] SCHIVÂ FOR PRESIDENT OF THE REPUBLIC - your ZRT (Alternative) Candidate
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 03:16 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 17, 2007 - 17:19 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > For God's sake, you guys, we are supposed to be all compatriots and friends here.
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> Supposed to, yes. Practically, this hasn't been my main observation after the recent CoD election.
Well, it's not my problem if some people are sore winners. Okay, let's be more precise. Eric has been polite in his political ripostes, if rather comatose on the job. Andy, Jim and Jan H have gotten on with the job. Ugo has been absent, possibly best for the mental health of all concerned.
There is only one Peculiarist who has gone out of his way to needle and provoke the ZRT opposition when we were simply doing our job to hold the government to account - and indeed seems personally offended that we don't approve of the government's policies or practice. It's that same Peculiarist who continually tried to pick personal fights during the election rather than concentrating on policies. It's the same Peculiarist who will be out of a job that he was never fit for in the first place in a couple of weeks, precisely because his duty to be head of state and defend the Constitution always came second to his duty to needle the Defencists - or, should I say, one Defencist in particular.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
Eminençâ Grischun dels Zefençadéirs dàl Repúblicâ Talossán
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 18, 2007 - 03:45 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 03:16 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > > > For God's sake, you guys, we are supposed to be all compatriots and friends here.
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> > Supposed to, yes. Practically, this hasn't been my main observation after the recent CoD election.
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> Well, it's not my problem if some people are sore winners. Okay, let's be more precise. Eric has been polite in his political ripostes, if rather comatose on the job. Andy, Jim and Jan H have gotten on with the job. Ugo has been absent, possibly best for the mental health of all concerned.
If only I could say that you have always been polite in return to Eric's politeness. Because you weren't even trying to be polite to anybody after the election.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 18, 2007 - 05:04 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 18, 2007 - 03:45 |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> If only I could say that you have always been polite in return to Eric's politeness. Because you weren't even trying to be polite to anybody after the election.
But of course I was never rude to Eric. You just made that up. I was rude to *you*, because your (that's the singular deine, not eure) political campaigning boiled down to making snide personal jabs at me - not even Dermot who was running for Seneschál. That really, really made me feel awful - that you turned our Republic's legislative elections into a venue for personal attacks on me. And the personal attacks didn't stop after the election - once you realised that losing the election wasn't going to shut me up, wasn't going to make me admit I was wrong, make me promise to be docile and meek and you got really offended.
Dieter, old friend, it truly, truly seems to me that you have absolutely no interest in the philosophy or politics of Talossa. It really seems that all that matters to you is attempting to give me a slapping, because for some reason when I stand up for myself and what I believe in, it pisses you off or threatens you or offends you. In anyone else, I would wonder whether that was sexism or homophobia, but I really, really think better than that of you, so I implore you to tell me, old friend, why the hell are you so obsessed with trying to slap me personally down? Why did you spend the election campaign going after me and not after Dermot?
Miestrâ Schivâ
Túischac'h dàl Camerâ dels Deputats
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
Eminençâ Grischun dels Zefençadéirs dàl Repúblicâ Talossán
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 06:29 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 03:53 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > .. a Court Justice, who agreed on my assessment...
I meant to say, he agreed to my assessment.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 04:03 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 16, 2007 - 03:53 |
| RE: Quick solution for one point of trouble(#1199), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], May 16, 2007 - 04:03. Viewed 403 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> Oh, btw., I've also been talking to the deputy SoS a couple of days ago, to ask him if he could run the election in case of an absence of Jay. He told me that he was in doubt whether he could do this legally, because he is a Minister and thus, strictly according to Const. II, 3.14, not entitled to serve as SoS.
To be on the safe side here, Txec could lay down his minstry during the election, and take it back on once the election is over.
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