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Chris Gruber | > Typo: §1.1.2 - add a comma between "secular" and "federal"
NO! It's proper the way it is.
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 1
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> Currently, §1.1.3a says, "The population, by means of elections, exercises this authority".
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> This line conflicts with §2.2.19 that says "...shall present that bill to the people in a referendum"
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> Therefore, §1.1.3a shall be stricken from the Draft Constitution.
Wha--? How is this a conflict?
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 3
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> The capitol of the Republic needs to be an actual city, not just a building.
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> Therefore, §1.1.8 shall be stricken in its entirety and replaced with the following:
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> §1.1.8a: The capital of the Republic of Talossa shall be Cüf City, named after Republic Citizen Bill Cooper.
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> §1.1.8b: The boundaries of Cüf City shall be defined in a future version of the Law of Territory.
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> §1.1.8b: The capitol building of the Republic of Talossa shall be the Mitchell Building in the province of Port Maxhestic.
ABsolutely not. 1) It's creepy to name something after someone who is still alive and 2) No offense to Coop, but what has he done so significantly in the Republic?
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 4
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> Currently, §1.1.9 reads in italics as follows, with my comments interspersed throughout:
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> §1.1.9: The political parties of the Republic participate in the formation of the political spirit of the people.
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> This sentence is redundant. Who is the government to define what a political party says and does so long as that party conforms to the rule of law?
How is it redundant?
> Their internal organization must conform to democratic ethics.
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> Who gets to define "democratic ethics"? This section is a breeding ground for Ben-esque abuses.
How? Is every passage that is not explicitly defined a problem for you?
> They must openly report their finances."
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> To whom?
Take a wild guess. To the same creature that allows them to exist: the government.
> §1.1.9 is intended to foster democratic behavior in political parties, but this section, as it currently stands, could be abused by people with less-than-honorable intentions to shut down opposition parties.
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> Therefore, §1.1.9 is stricken in its entirety and replaced with the following:
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> §1.1.9: Political parties shall openly report their finances to the people. The frequency and manner of such reporting shall be determined by law.
Someone's being a little too anal retentive here.
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 5
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> §1.1.11 is vague. Therefore, it shall be stricken in its entirety and replaced with the following:
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> §1.1.11: All officials and civil servants, elected or otherwise, of this Republic, be they federal-level or otherwise, are, in spirit if not in letter, servants of the entire community. To all these persons, freedom of political opinion and association are assured.
How is it vague? And are you proposing that everything YOU find vague be stricken and replaced?
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 6
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> In §1.4.13, the phrase "with the criminal laws" is vague in that the word "the" does not clearly state what legal jurisdictions are at play.
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> Therefore, the entirety of §1.4.13 shall be replaced with the following:
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> §1.4.13: Associations, the objects or activities of which conflict with the criminal laws of the home country of the person in question or of the Republic of Talossa, the former taking precedence over the latter, or which are directed against the constitutional order or the concept of international relations, are prohibited.
Yeah, that's WAAAAAAAAAY clearer. Not.
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 7
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> The last sentence of §1.4.18 invites abuse and trouble: who gets to define "common danger"? And let's define "common danger".
No. Common danger pretty much defines itself. And if they're any question down the line, it gives the High Court something to interpret. Name a constitution in which every term is defined IN the constitution. I'll wait.
> §1.4.18 shall be stricken and replaced with the following:
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> §1.4.18: The home is sacred. Searches of one's home may be ordered only by a majority of the High Cort and may be carried out only by way of a mode to be determined by law.
Why would this be replaced?
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 8
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> The final dependent clause of §1.4.19 is ambiguous. What are the implied "duties"?
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> Therefore the phrase "but implies duties" shall be stricken from §1.4.19, which shall now read thusly: "The right to ownership of and the protection of property shall be guaranteed."
Why? "Vague" is not a reason to strike or redefine passages.
> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 9
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> The word "liability" in §2.2.13 is vague. Liability on whose part?
Think about it.
> Additionally, this could be used to protect a nefarious Parliament from legitimate lawsuits pertaining to purposely-fraudulent reports.
It "could"? Name a circumstance under which it "could".
> Therefore, §2.2.13 shall be stricken in its entirety.
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> G. V. 3rd Constitutional Draft - Amendment 10
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> §2.1.1 shall be stricken in its entirety and replaced with the following:
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> §2.1.1a: The President of the Republic (in the national language: el Prüm Citaxhien) is the Head of State of the Republic and the defender of the Constitution.
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> §2.1.1b: The Deans of the Provisional Governing Council shall be recognized as having been Heads of State.
Fine. No problem there.
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> Typo in §1.4.30: Capitalizing the word "Courts" implies the existence of an particular organization or body bearing the name "Courts". Not capitalizing this word solves this problem and lets the whole of the judiciary of the Republic in on the fun.
What part of "no nitpicking on spelling and punctuation" in Daph's instructions did you not understand?
> Question: Are the text headings such as "Election of the President", etc. parts of the official text of the Constitution?
WHat if they are? What difference does it make?
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E isc al Arendra del Bún Úr. Fáden es fóclan gleðen fer brach. El Bún Úr fólat ëtfin cún sino synt prepar. Cún þis paset, þa omin isc fólen. Es lyþ was sár. -- vól Cúliðlaþ
Chirischtôval Curt Cavéir,
Dean of the Republic of Talossa
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