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| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS | la garēā malpadert | February 23, 2005 - 17:21 | | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 03:39 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | February 23, 2005 - 17:21 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1147), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 03:39. Viewed 674 times. |
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D. N. Vercįriā
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā |
> Oh, your "legalese" wasn't clear that you wanted local government to approve any new provinces. Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt. But possibly in small provinces it will be enough if the few citizens consent on what they want to do; a possible wish to join an other province will already need the consent of this province, too. On the other hand, the Parlamînt might wish to take care that no 1-person-provinces will be created...
- D. N. Vercįriā |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 03:47 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 03:39 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1150), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 03:47. Viewed 672 times. |
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la garēā malpadert
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā |
> > Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
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> Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt.
I think that's covered by "Parlamint may create a new province, etc". I.e. it doesn't *have* to.
Miestrā Schivā
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown. |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 04:11 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 03:47 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1152), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 04:11. Viewed 706 times. |
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D. N. Vercįriā
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā | >
> > > Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
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> > Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt.
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> I think that's covered by "Parlamint may create a new province, etc". I.e. it doesn't *have* to.
Ugh. I didn't see this, because I kind of didn't want to see this. It has been my intention to express that the Parliament must not be involved in structuring or restructuring provinces, except if a province doesn't have means to get the neccessary actions done in a legal way.
- D. N. Vercįriā |
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| | President Anglatzarâ | February 24, 2005 - 08:29 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 04:11 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1159), posted by President Anglatzarâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 08:29. Viewed 717 times. |
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President Anglatzarā
Group: admins
(3194 posts total)
(last post: March 14, 2008 - 07:21)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā | > >
> > > > Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
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> > > Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt.
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> > I think that's covered by "Parlamint may create a new province, etc". I.e. it doesn't *have* to.
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> Ugh. I didn't see this, because I kind of didn't want to see this. It has been my intention to express that the Parliament must not be involved in structuring or restructuring provinces, except if a province doesn't have means to get the neccessary actions done in a legal way.
I hope you don't mean to leave the Parlamīnt out altogether. The Parlamīnt is the legislative body of the Republic. Even if we're just talking of rubberstamping, all law-making should pass the House before coming into force. Or else it hasn't happened.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 13:47 |
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Parent message | | President Anglatzarâ | February 24, 2005 - 08:29 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1163), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 13:47. Viewed 734 times. |
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D. N. Vercįriā
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā | > > >
> > > > > Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt.
> > >
> > > I think that's covered by "Parlamint may create a new province, etc". I.e. it doesn't *have* to.
> >
> > Ugh. I didn't see this, because I kind of didn't want to see this. It has been my intention to express that the Parliament must not be involved in structuring or restructuring provinces, except if a province doesn't have means to get the neccessary actions done in a legal way.
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> I hope you don't mean to leave the Parlamīnt out altogether. The Parlamīnt is the legislative body of the Republic. Even if we're just talking of rubberstamping, all law-making should pass the House before coming into force. Or else it hasn't happened.
Though I have to admit that I've been pondering a completely parliament-less grassroot movement for changes in the provincial structures, I'm now seeing the light. A "rubberstamping" parliament might as well pull the emergency break, if something inappropriate or even unconstitutional is happening when provinces are reforming their borders. So this is a welcome balance of powers.
- D. N. Vercįriā |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 04:19 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 04:11 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1154), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 04:19. Viewed 708 times. |
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la garēā malpadert
Group: admins
(4379 posts total)
(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā | > >
> > > > Is the this amended text more like what you suggested?
> > >
> > > Yes, whereas there should have been a 3rd clause which applies if there is no local legislation; in this case the petition would need the consent of the Parlamînt.
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> > I think that's covered by "Parlamint may create a new province, etc". I.e. it doesn't *have* to.
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> Ugh. I didn't see this, because I kind of didn't want to see this. It has been my intention to express that the Parliament must not be involved in structuring or restructuring provinces, except if a province doesn't have means to get the neccessary actions done in a legal way.
Yes, that's exactly what my revised draft does. It says that Parlamīnt may create a new province on the motion of a petition of citizens and consent of any provincial legislature - that is, it can't take the initiative itself.
Sorry about the overemphases, but, as you can probably see elsewhere, I am getting a hell of a lot of grief over this constitutional process at the moment. I really think that my drafting expresses exactly what you wanted, in tighter, more legal language. If you don't agree, then I fear I may have to go and bang my head on the wall a few times. :)
Miestrā Schivā
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown. |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 05:05 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 04:19 |
| RE: Voting on Amendments to Third Draft Constitution OPENS(#1157), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 05:05. Viewed 741 times. |
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D. N. Vercįriā
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrā Schivā |
> If you don't agree, then I fear I may have to go and bang my head on the wall a few times. :)
Even though it might be interesting to watch this, please don't do it. ;-)
- D. N. Vercįriā |
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