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| RE: Too late. | Andy | February 24, 2005 - 00:13 | | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 03:43 |
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Parent message | | Andy | February 24, 2005 - 00:13 |
| Back me or sack me.(#1148), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 03:43. Viewed 698 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry | > > The deadline for moving and seconding amendments closed about six hours ago.
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> By whose clock? In what time zone?
I announced the following on February 16, 15:21 according to the datestamp on the post on this forum:
I am going to allow one week for anyone who really thinks we need a Third Round of amendments.
Therefore, the deadline closed at February 23, 15:21. Your post where you second Göd's amendments (just because you disapproved of Grubi's tone of voice?) is datestamped February 23, 2005 - 23:34. Therefore, you were eight hours and thirteen minutes late. You also registered your vote on the two amendments which *were* moved and seconded, so you obviously *knew* that the voting period had begun, so I'm not sure what your problem is now.
> > And I had already indicated that I wouldn't accept any of Göd's amendments anyway for a vote, since they were excessively minor and pedantic.
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> That's nice, but I seconded them, so your acceptance or non-acceptance is moot.
I repeat again from my post referenced above: I will not accept amendments which concern typos, wording and other non-substantive matters. All Göd's amendments fall into this category, in my judgement. Again, if you had a problem with this, the time to tell me so was at any time before February 23, 15:21, at whatever time this forum datestamps things.
> > All Göd's suggestions, however, will be discussed in the Constitutional Committee "tinkering" with the Final Draft, which you, Andy, will be a part of, so I look forward to discussing them then.
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> Better yet, let's vote now.
I advertised the rules well in advance, in a post titled "OFFICIAL from the Chairwoman". You didn't challenge them at the time. I am not changing the rules now that the vote has already started. If you want to kick me out of the Chair and restart the voting period, then I will accept a petition of any five citizens requesting my resignation.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h | February 24, 2005 - 16:24 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 03:43 |
| I back you!(#1168), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 16:24. Viewed 690 times. |
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Gödafrďeu Válcadác’h
Group: admins
(3164 posts total)
(last post: March 14, 2008 - 15:24)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry | > I announced the following on February 16, 15:21 according to the datestamp on the post on this forum:
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> I am going to allow one week for anyone who really thinks we need a Third Round of amendments.
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> Therefore, the deadline closed at February 23, 15:21. Your post where you second Göd's amendments (just because you disapproved of Grubi's tone of voice?) is datestamped February 23, 2005 - 23:34. Therefore, you were eight hours and thirteen minutes late. You also registered your vote on the two amendments which *were* moved and seconded, so you obviously *knew* that the voting period had begun, so I'm not sure what your problem is now.
Andy, you missed the deadline.
> I repeat again from my post referenced above: I will not accept amendments which concern typos, wording and other non-substantive matters. All Göd's amendments fall into this category, in my judgement. Again, if you had a problem with this, the time to tell me so was at any time before February 23, 15:21, at whatever time this forum datestamps things.
While I disagree with Miestra's opinions of my amendments and typos (those typos were never meant to be considered as amendments, but my post was confusing on that point).
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> > > All Göd's suggestions, however, will be discussed in the Constitutional Committee "tinkering" with the Final Draft, which you, Andy, will be a part of, so I look forward to discussing them then.
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> > Better yet, let's vote now.
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> I advertised the rules well in advance, in a post titled "OFFICIAL from the Chairwoman". You didn't challenge them at the time. I am not changing the rules now that the vote has already started. If you want to kick me out of the Chair and restart the voting period, then I will accept a petition of any five citizens requesting my resignation.
I would sign no such petition.
G. V.
www.icantbelieveitsnottonal.com
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| | JKK | February 24, 2005 - 04:40 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | February 24, 2005 - 03:43 |
| I back.(#1155), posted by JKK, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 04:40. Viewed 733 times. |
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JKK
Group: citizens
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(last post: August 11, 2005 - 01:39)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry | This is getting unnecessarily contentious. Miestra, you've done a great job of keeping it moving. You've set sensible rules and given plenty of opportunity for input. I respect Andy and Godafreiu's input, but without firm timelines we'd be a lot further from what we all want: to let our political process take shape. I believe that many Friends and watchers are waiting to see how that will go: how will our system work, would they have a voice if they joined, would this be a reasonably fun place to do such things?
If there's something wrong with the document (and such will be found approximately five minutes after it enters force of fundamental law, despite all our efforts), necessary clarifications will surely be apparent and result either in Court interpretations (and that's what we have them for) or amendments (something to do!). I really think it'll be all right. Let's moderate our tones, remember how far we've come, and support Miestra in keeping the process going forward.
jkk
AIM: jkkandalex
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| | Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h | February 24, 2005 - 16:26 |
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Parent message | | JKK | February 24, 2005 - 04:40 |
| 100% agreement!(#1169), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 16:26. Viewed 709 times. |
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Gödafrďeu Válcadác’h
Group: admins
(3164 posts total)
(last post: March 14, 2008 - 15:24)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry | > This is getting unnecessarily contentious. Miestra, you've done a great job of keeping it moving. You've set sensible rules and given plenty of opportunity for input. I respect Andy and Godafreiu's input, but without firm timelines we'd be a lot further from what we all want: to let our political process take shape. I believe that many Friends and watchers are waiting to see how that will go: how will our system work, would they have a voice if they joined, would this be a reasonably fun place to do such things?
100% agreement on all counts.
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> If there's something wrong with the document (and such will be found approximately five minutes after it enters force of fundamental law, despite all our efforts), necessary clarifications will surely be apparent and result either in Court interpretations (and that's what we have them for) or amendments (something to do!). I really think it'll be all right. Let's moderate our tones, remember how far we've come, and support Miestra in keeping the process going forward.
Indeed. Andy, chill out. :-)
G. V.
www.icantbelieveitsnottonal.com
The Talossan Wiki at www.talossapedia.com |
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| | President Anglatzarâ | February 24, 2005 - 08:25 |
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Parent message | | JKK | February 24, 2005 - 04:40 |
| RE: I back.(#1158), posted by President Anglatzarâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 08:25. Viewed 740 times. |
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President Anglatzarâ
Group: admins
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 07:21)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry | > Let's moderate our tones, remember how far we've come, and support Miestra in keeping the process going forward.
Indeed. I'm behind you, Miestrâ. (And not too far behind you either.) Let's keep the behemoth on the roll. As soon as we get it into place, the nation's life can start for real. And as JKK says, I'm sure amendments to the constitution will be heard during the very first parlamînt session.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | February 24, 2005 - 13:50 |
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Parent message | | President Anglatzarâ | February 24, 2005 - 08:25 |
| RE: I back.(#1164), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], February 24, 2005 - 13:50. Viewed 743 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #5:
Andrew Lowry |
> And as JKK says, I'm sure amendments to the constitution will be heard during the very first parlamînt session.
You bet! Some possible plans for amendments might even be written into the programs of political parties. ;-)
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