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| FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 | | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 13:26 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
| My Votes. Finally.(#1004), posted by Justice dal Navâ, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 13:26. Viewed 384 times. |
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Justice dal Navâ
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 13:43)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1. No
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. Yes
7. Yes
8. Yes
9. Yes
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E isc al Arendra del Bún Úr. Fáden es fóclan gleðen fer brach. El Bún Úr fólat ëtfin cún sino synt prepar. Cún þis paset, þa omin isc fólen. Es lyþ was sár.
-- vól Cúliðlaþ
Jad cha bruchen nons vó ðan.
Þu eas aþor fer nons ó conþ nons.
Donez a ve ans de þas úsc!
El Bia Úclaþ le Stef’ Zissou
Jad cha scrioven fóclan.
Chirischtôval Curt Cavéir,
Dean of the Republic of Talossa
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| | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 21:17 |
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Parent message | | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 13:26 |
| UPDATION ON MY VOTES(#1008), posted by Justice dal Navâ, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 21:17. Viewed 380 times. |
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Justice dal Navâ
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 13:43)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1. No
2. Yes
3. No
4. Yes
5. Yes
6. No
7. No
8. No
9. Yes
There. Done and done.
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E isc al Arendra del Bún Úr. Fáden es fóclan gleðen fer brach. El Bún Úr fólat ëtfin cún sino synt prepar. Cún þis paset, þa omin isc fólen. Es lyþ was sár. -- vól Cúliðlaþ
Jad cha bruchen nons vó ðan.
Þu eas aþor fer nons ó conþ nons.
Donez a ve ans de þas úsc!
El Bia Úsclaþ le Stef’ Zissou
Jad cha scrioven fóclan.
Chirischtôval Curt Cavéir,
Dean of the Republic of Talossa
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 29, 2005 - 22:38 |
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Parent message | | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 21:17 |
| RE: UPDATION ON MY VOTES(#1009), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 22:38. Viewed 400 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | ... which means we now have a tie on Amendment 8 instead. Same as above: if I don't receive any more votes, or vote changes, within twenty-four hours, I'll change my vote to Austenéu and that amendment will pass.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown. |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 29, 2005 - 17:49 |
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Parent message | | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 13:26 |
| BREAK THE TIE, SOMEONE!(#1006), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 17:49. Viewed 369 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | I have great pleasure in announcing that, twenty-four hours from now, the Constitutional Convention's first round of voting will close.
All amendments, unless anyone changes their votes, have passed, except Amendments 6 and 7. I strongly encourage someone to break the tie on these amendments. If no-one breaks the tie, I announce that I will live up to my responsibilities as chair, change my vote to "Austenéu" on both these amendments, and therefore allow them to pass.
A reminder that once I have posted the amended Second Draft Constitution, there will be a second round of suggested amendments. I foreshadow two amendments: (a) one to institute a unicameral system (since honestly I don't see the point of the Upper House if everyone can run for both houses), and (b) one to make quorums for voting in the legislature optional (since M-P seems to excited about this).
I ask once again: someone break the tie on Amendments 6 and 7, please! I don't want to have to give up my vote.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown. |
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| | Gjermund Higraff | January 24, 2005 - 16:25 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
| My votes(#1001), posted by Gjermund Higraff, [IP Hidden], January 24, 2005 - 16:25. Viewed 416 times. |
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Gjermund Higraff
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 07:31)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1 Për
2 Për
3 Për
4 Austaneu
5 Për
6 Contra
7 Contra
8 Contra
9 Për
Gjermund Higraff/Dixhét Curgá |
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 25, 2005 - 11:25 |
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Parent message | | Gjermund Higraff | January 24, 2005 - 16:25 |
| Result page updated...(#1003), posted by Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W., [IP Hidden], January 25, 2005 - 11:25. Viewed 380 times. |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
Group: admins
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(last post: November 24, 2007 - 15:07)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | The results page has been updated.
9 people have voted so far.
he, if we sent all the criminals to some empty continent and just left them there to die
and showed up like 50yrs later like, "sup?"
whatd u think they'd say?
something along the lines of, "G`Day mate"
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| | Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h | January 16, 2005 - 23:34 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
| Attn: Miestrâ!! GV's votes(#994), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], January 16, 2005 - 23:34. Viewed 372 times. |
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Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h
Group: admins
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 15:24)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | First of all, Miestrâ, my apologies for neglecting my duty here!
* * *
1. That Title Two, Article One, Section 6 be amended to read as follows:
" No person may be re-elected to more than two consecutive terms as President."
(moved by Ián Anglatzarâ; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
Contrâ. I have a question: Does this amendment allow for someone to serve his two consecutive terms, but later on serve additional terms in office?
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2. That Title Two, Article One, Section 11 be amended to read as follows:
"If the High Court finds the President guilty of a willful violation of any law, it may declare him or her to have forfeited his or her office. After impeachment, it may issue a temporary order barring the President from exercising the powers of his or her office, or from being elected or re-elected to any public office for a period no greater than one year."
(moved by Ián Anglatzarâ; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
Abstain
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3. That Title Two, Article One, Section 9 (d) be amended to read as follows:
"The President has the power to pardon those convicted by a Court of a crime, on behalf of the Republic, subject to any such pardon being approved by referendum."
(moved by Miestrâ Schivâ; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
Abstain. What type of referendum are we looking at here? I assume this means a referendum of the entire populace with a simple majority? Let's make it a two-thirds majority of the people?
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4. That Title Two, Article Two, Section 7 be amended to read as follows:
"Until Parlamînt otherwise decides, the size of the Chamber of Deputies shall be twice the number of members of the Senäts, minus one."
(moved by Martì-Páir Furxhéir; seconded by Miestrâ Schivâ.)
Për.
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5. That the Appendix to the Constitution be replaced by the following text:
"APPENDIX: PROCEDURE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION
"1. This Constitution shall require the approval of the Provisional Governing Council by at least a two-thirds majority of those voting in a referendum and at least half of the members of the Council. It shall come into force the next day, thus overriding all previous constitutions and organic laws.
"2 . During the referendum specified in s. 1, the election for the first president shall be conducted. The winner of the election shall come into office on the same day as the consitution comes into force. In the event that the population rejects the constitution, the election shall be considered void and null.
"3. Upon enactment of this Constitution, the Provisional Governing Council and the newly elected president shall immediately do the following, in this order:
a) the President shall nominate a Secretary of State, to be confirmed by 2/3 of the Provisional Governing Council.
b) Enact legislation to assign citizens to Provinces as provided in Title One, Article Three of this Constitution.
c) Enact legislation to provide for election of a Parlamînt, and for the conduct of referendums.
d) Call elections for the house of Deputies, and a month later, for the Senate. Until these positions are filled, the Council shall exercise their powers under this Constitution.
"4. Until the positions of Secretary of State and Chief Justice of the High Court are filled, their provisional counterparts shall exercise their powers under this Constitution. The elected President shall function as Dean of the Provisional Governing Council.
"5. Until they are overriden, repealed, or found to violate the new constitution, all laws passed by the Provisional Governing Council shall remain in place."
Contrâ: What is meant by "Council"? I assume it means the PGC. If so, let's make codify this specifically.
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6. That Title Two, Article One, Section 3 be amended as follows:
"Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected the President of the Republic of Talossa."
(moved by D. Nanöchfiglheu Vercáriâ; seconded by Chirisch Cavéir.)
Për. By no means redundant.
* * *
7. That Title Two, Article Two, Section 12 be amended as follows:
"Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected to the Senäts."
(moved by D. Nanöchfiglheu Vercáriâ; seconded by Chirisch Cavéir.)
Për. Another good amendment...
* * *
8. That Title Two, Article Three, Section 3 be amended as follows:
"Subject to the Standing Orders of the Chamber of Deputies, any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be chosen as Seneschál."
(moved by D. Nanöchfiglheu Vercáriâ; seconded by Chirisch Cavéir.)
Për. Yet another good one...
* * *
9. That Title One, Article One, Section 1 be amended to read as follows:
"The name of the State, in the national language, is la Repúblicâ Talossán. In English, the name of the State is The Republic of Talossa, citizens of which shall be referred to hereafter as 'Talossans'."
(moved by Gödafrïeu Válcadác'h; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
Për, of course! lol
G. V.
www.icantbelieveitsnottonal.com
The Talossan Wiki at www.talossapedia.com |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 17, 2005 - 03:26 |
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Parent message | | Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h | January 16, 2005 - 23:34 |
| Why you should all vote CONTRA on Amendments 6, 7, and 8(#995), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 03:26. Viewed 432 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
(4379 posts total)
(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> 1. That Title Two, Article One, Section 6 be amended to read as follows:
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> " No person may be re-elected to more than two consecutive terms as President."
>
> (moved by Ián Anglatzarâ; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
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> Contrâ. I have a question: Does this amendment allow for someone to serve his two consecutive terms, but later on serve additional terms in office?
That's what it says. Anything not expressly forbidden is allowed.
> 5. That the Appendix to the Constitution be replaced by the following text:
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> [...]
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> Contrâ: What is meant by "Council"? I assume it means the PGC. If so, let's make codify this specifically.
Of course it means the PGC. What other council do we have? Are you perchance worried that our High Court are a bunch of total dullards? :)
> * * *
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> 6. That Title Two, Article One, Section 3 be amended as follows:
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> "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected the President of the Republic of Talossa."
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> (moved by D. Nanöchfiglheu Vercáriâ; seconded by Chirisch Cavéir.)
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> Për. By no means redundant.
Er, you do realise, don't you, that amendments 6, 7, 8 delete the requirements for length of service before one can be elected to the higher offices of state?
Actually, I think I'd better get out and campaign on this option, because those amendments are becoming scarily close to being lost. I think perhaps people haven't considered what will happen if the higher offices of State are open to any new citizen who hasn't been around long enough to get a "feel" for Talossa. I really don't want to become "just another internet micro". What attracted me to Talossa were the 25 years of continuous history, and for heaven's sake, surely the people who run the country should be people who've been around for part of that history.
In any case, if we vote Per on article 7 I will definitely introduce an amendment for a unicameral parliament, because if the same people are eligible for both Houses there is no reason to have two of them. (And don't talk about provincial representation when we don't even have a consensus on who's in which province!)
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 13:29 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 17, 2005 - 03:26 |
| I think you mis-read it.(#1005), posted by Justice dal Navâ, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 13:29. Viewed 347 times. |
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Justice dal Navâ
Group: admins
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 13:43)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > Er, you do realise, don't you, that amendments 6, 7, 8 delete the requirements for length of service before one can be elected to the higher offices of state?
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> Actually, I think I'd better get out and campaign on this option, because those amendments are becoming scarily close to being lost. I think perhaps people haven't considered what will happen if the higher offices of State are open to any new citizen who hasn't been around long enough to get a "feel" for Talossa. I really don't want to become "just another internet micro". What attracted me to Talossa were the 25 years of continuous history, and for heaven's sake, surely the people who run the country should be people who've been around for part of that history.
What does "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution" mean, then?
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E isc al Arendra del Bún Úr. Fáden es fóclan gleðen fer brach. El Bún Úr fólat ëtfin cún sino synt prepar. Cún þis paset, þa omin isc fólen. Es lyþ was sár.
-- vól Cúliðlaþ
Jad cha bruchen nons vó ðan.
Þu eas aþor fer nons ó conþ nons.
Donez a ve ans de þas úsc!
El Bia Úclaþ le Stef’ Zissou
Jad cha scrioven fóclan.
Chirischtôval Curt Cavéir,
Dean of the Republic of Talossa
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 29, 2005 - 17:51 |
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Parent message | | Justice dal Navâ | January 29, 2005 - 13:29 |
| I think *you* mis-read it.(#1007), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 17:51. Viewed 453 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> What does "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution" mean, then?
Chris, the amendment deletes the requirements for length of service for those positions. If that's not what you meant, then I strongly suggest you change your votes now! Ask Dieter, that is what he intended.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown. |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 17, 2005 - 17:27 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 17, 2005 - 03:26 |
| RE: What about this fine tradition of letting people vote?(#996), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 17:27. Viewed 391 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | "You may respond to the proposal, stating your consent, concern, or abstention, the reason you feel that way, and offering suggestions. Please discuss only the proposal, not the other responses or non-related matters."
- Rules of Polyphony, The Consensus Process, S. 7
- D. N. Vercáriâ |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 17, 2005 - 17:52 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 17, 2005 - 17:27 |
| RE: What about this fine tradition of letting people vote?(#997), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 17:52. Viewed 430 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > "You may respond to the proposal, stating your consent, concern, or abstention, the reason you feel that way, and offering suggestions. Please discuss only the proposal, not the other responses or non-related matters."
>
> - Rules of Polyphony, The Consensus Process, S. 7
My mind has changed on many subjects since 2000. :) However, I take your point and have said my last word on this subject.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | Bill Cooper | January 13, 2005 - 14:41 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
| After Careful Consideration.....(#991), posted by Bill Cooper, [IP Hidden], January 13, 2005 - 14:41. Viewed 384 times. |
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Bill Cooper
Group: citizens
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(last post: October 26, 2005 - 13:50)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | I hereby cast my votes as Per for each.
Coop
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It is the invariable habit of bureaucracies, at all times and everywhere, to assume...that every citizen is a criminal. Their one apparent purpose, pursued with a relentless and furious diligence, is to convert the assumption into a fact. They hunt endlessly for proofs, and, when proofs are lacking, for mere suspicions. The moment they become aware of a definite citizen, John Doe, seeking what is his right under the law, they begin searching feverishly for an excuse for withholding it from him.
H.L. Mencken |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 10, 2005 - 15:10 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
| My votes(#981), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 10, 2005 - 15:10. Viewed 409 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1) Austanéu
If amendment 6 fails to sail through, amendment 1 might mean that we'll really run short of possible candidates for the Presidency.
5) Austanéu
I don't see the importance of the additional section 3 b of this amendment, but there you go, fellow citizens - if you think we need it, then it's okay.
9) Austanéu
Also not necessary IMHO, but nothing that I've strong feelings about.
All other amendments: Për.
Annotation: I hope that further amendments of proposed and possibly rejected amendments will be allowed after this round of voting.
- D. N. Vercáriâ |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 11, 2005 - 16:23 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 10, 2005 - 15:10 |
| I'd now like to amend my votes(#984), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 11, 2005 - 16:23. Viewed 404 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | Ignore this if it's impossible to modify my vote:
> 1) Austanéu
> If amendment 6 fails to sail through, amendment 1 might mean that we'll really run short of possible candidates for the Presidency.
Për, instead. There's been something that I misunderstood.
> 5) Austanéu
> I don't see the importance of the additional section 3 b of this amendment, but there you go, fellow citizens - if you think we need it, then it's okay.
Contrâ, instead. Unless someone quickly explains to me how we can elect a President in a constitutional way during the refendum on the Constition, as proposed in section 2.
> 9) Austanéu
> Also not necessary IMHO, but nothing that I've strong feelings about.
>
> All other amendments: Për.
> Annotation: I hope that further amendments of proposed and possibly rejected amendments will be allowed after this round of voting.
>
> - D. N. Vercáriâ
If it has been possible to modify my vote, sorry for the inconvenience that has been caused by my now altered premature vote. :-/
- D. N. Vercáriâ |
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 13, 2005 - 06:58 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 11, 2005 - 16:23 |
| how we can elect a President in a constitutional(#986), posted by Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W., [IP Hidden], January 13, 2005 - 06:58. Viewed 388 times. |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
Group: admins
(1791 posts total)
(last post: November 24, 2007 - 15:07)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> Contrâ, instead. Unless someone quickly explains to me how we can elect a President in a constitutional way during the refendum on the Constition, as proposed in section 2.
A consitution defines what is constitutional or not.
If a LAW said that we can elect the president during the referendum, I am not sure it would be constitutional.
But since the constitution specifies it, it is by definition, constitutional.
And now, a few opening lyrics song by the female lead of the group E-Rotic :
"Fred come to bed, cause my Max had sex with his sexy ex last night. Oooh Fred come to bed, baby I will let your dreams get wet"
"Hey hey hey Fritz Your key fits nicely My body opens to your touch So ring my bell and just entice me I need your lovin' oh so much"
"Oh Nick please not so quick, You know I want it big I wanna feel like in heaven, Just like in heaven"
"Oh, Willy, use a Billy, Don't be silly,Oh, baby, sex is joy, but use a Billy boy"
That's 5 guys ( including Max ). Do you think she a little nyphomaniac,especially considering we can hear her orgasming in every one of her songs ? |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 13, 2005 - 12:25 |
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Parent message | | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 13, 2005 - 06:58 |
| RE: how we can elect a President in a constitutional(#987), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 13, 2005 - 12:25. Viewed 374 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | >
> > Contrâ, instead. Unless someone quickly explains to me how we can elect a President in a constitutional way during the refendum on the Constition, as proposed in section 2.
>
>
> A consitution defines what is constitutional or not.
>
> If a LAW said that we can elect the president during the referendum, I am not sure it would be constitutional.
>
> But since the constitution specifies it, it is by definition, constitutional.
Before the end of the referendum the constitution is possibly only a proposed constitution.
- D. N. Vercáriâ |
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 13, 2005 - 13:12 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 13, 2005 - 12:25 |
| RE: how we can elect a President in a constitutional(#988), posted by Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W., [IP Hidden], January 13, 2005 - 13:12. Viewed 411 times. |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
Group: admins
(1791 posts total)
(last post: November 24, 2007 - 15:07)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > >
> > > Contrâ, instead. Unless someone quickly explains to me how we can elect a President in a constitutional way during the refendum on the Constition, as proposed in section 2.
> >
> >
> > A consitution defines what is constitutional or not.
> >
> > If a LAW said that we can elect the president during the referendum, I am not sure it would be constitutional.
> >
> > But since the constitution specifies it, it is by definition, constitutional.
>
> Before the end of the referendum the constitution is possibly only a proposed constitution.
>
Yes, but the rules of the election are not even defined by the constitution ! The only thing the constitution specify is that an election is needed.
Not the method it is conducted...
France singing review, according to RBO ( listen to it here):
j'ai p't-être pas inventé, le bouton à quatre trou,
mais quand il est tombé, c'est moi qui le recoud.
Oh hé, (oh hé ) j'suis comme le camembert
Hé Oh, ( hé od ) j'm'étend moi bien qu'j'en ai l'air |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 13, 2005 - 13:45 |
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Parent message | | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 13, 2005 - 13:12 |
| RE: I don't know...(#989), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 13, 2005 - 13:45. Viewed 369 times. |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
Group: citizens
(4498 posts total)
(last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)
Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > > >
> > > > Contrâ, instead. Unless someone quickly explains to me how we can elect a President in a constitutional way during the refendum on the Constition, as proposed in section 2.
> > >
> > >
> > > A consitution defines what is constitutional or not.
> > >
> > > If a LAW said that we can elect the president during the referendum, I am not sure it would be constitutional.
> > >
> > > But since the constitution specifies it, it is by definition, constitutional.
> >
> > Before the end of the referendum the constitution is possibly only a proposed constitution.
> >
>
> Yes, but the rules of the election are not even defined by the constitution ! The only thing the constitution specify is that an election is needed.
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> Not the method it is conducted...
I don't know if it helps to look at Art. VIII, Sec. 5 of the Provisional Constitution which states that the Prov. Constitution is abolished upon the ratification of the new constitution. So all procedures before the ratification should follow the provisions of the Provisional Constitution (that is, including procedures of the referendum).
IMHO, the Appendix of the new constitution regarding the procedure of adopting the new constitution can only fill "constitutional gaps" that open in the very moment when the Provisional Constitution becomes history (and thus all provisional bodies of the Republic cease to exist).
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 13, 2005 - 14:32 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 13, 2005 - 13:45 |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> I don't know if it helps to look at Art. VIII, Sec. 5 of the Provisional Constitution which states that the Prov. Constitution is abolished upon the ratification of the new constitution. So all procedures before the ratification should follow the provisions of the Provisional Constitution (that is, including procedures of the referendum).
No it doesn't because the rules regarding the elections are not in the provinsional constitution, but are rather a simple law ( it isn't even a law yet, it is a rule, but that isn't the point ).
And, the constitution stipulates :
"Until they are overriden, repealed, or found to violate the new constitution, all laws passed by the Provisional Governing Council shall remain in place."
As such, the ONLY thing repealed by Art. VIII, Sec. 5, is the actual provisional constitution, NOT the laws passed under it.
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> IMHO, the Appendix of the new constitution regarding the procedure of adopting the new constitution can only fill "constitutional gaps" that open in the very moment when the Provisional Constitution becomes history (and thus all provisional bodies of the Republic cease to exist).
Yes, provisional bodies cease to exist, but not the laws of the PGC...
Only the bodies that pass them.
France singing review, according to RBO ( listen to it here):
j'ai p't-être pas inventé, le bouton à quatre trou,
mais quand il est tombé, c'est moi qui le recoud.
Oh hé, (oh hé ) j'suis comme le camembert
Hé Oh, ( hé od ) j'm'étend moi bien qu'j'en ai l'air |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 11, 2005 - 20:06 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 11, 2005 - 16:23 |
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 10, 2005 - 15:26 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 10, 2005 - 15:10 |
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Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W.
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ |
> 5) Austanéu
> I don't see the importance of the additional section 3 b of this amendment, but there you go, fellow citizens - if you think we need it, then it's okay.
Actually, section 3B was already in the constitution, so it is not a new section. The others around it are however ;-)
And now, a few opening lyrics song by the female lead of the group E-Rotic :
"Fred come to bed, cause my Max had sex with his sexy ex last night. Oooh Fred come to bed, baby I will let your dreams get wet"
"Hey hey hey Fritz Your key fits nicely My body opens to your touch So ring my bell and just entice me I need your lovin' oh so much"
"Oh Nick please not so quick, You know I want it big I wanna feel like in heaven, Just like in heaven"
"Oh, Willy, use a Billy, Don't be silly,Oh, baby, sex is joy, but use a Billy boy"
That's 5 guys ( including Max ). Do you think she a little nyphomaniac,especially considering we can hear her orgasming in every one of her songs ? |
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 10, 2005 - 15:58 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | *blush* Yes, I see it now. Anyway I'm still undecided in this, thus I abstain.
- D. N. Vercáriâ |
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| | Andy | January 09, 2005 - 21:41 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | I vote Per on all nine. I presume that typos and spelling errors (e.g. "overriden," "referendums") will be corrected at some point? :-)
A. |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 09, 2005 - 22:17 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | > I presume that typos and spelling errors (e.g. "overriden," "referendums") will be corrected at some point? :-)
That's the Committee's job in the last phase before ratification, yes.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | President Anglatzarâ | January 09, 2005 - 09:55 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1. "No person may be re-elected to more than two consecutive terms as President."
PËR
2. "If the High Court finds the President guilty of a willful violation of any law..."
PËR
3. "The President has the power to pardon those convicted by a Court of a crime, on behalf of the Republic, subject to any such pardon being approved by referendum."
AUSTANÉU - I still don't like it, but OK, with a referendum to back it up, I shan't block it.
4. "Until Parlamînt otherwise decides, the size of the Chamber of Deputies shall be twice the number of members of the Senäts, minus one."
CONTRÂ - To be completely honest (and heretic) I don't see why we need a senäts at all. But keep it as small as possible, at least.
5. "APPENDIX: PROCEDURE FOR THE ADOPTION OF THE CONSTITUTION"
PËR
6. "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected the President of the Republic of Talossa."
CONTRÂ
7. "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected to the Senäts."
CONTRÂ
8. "Subject to the Standing Orders of the Chamber of Deputies, any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be chosen as Seneschál."
CONTRÂ
9. "The name of the State, in the national language, is la Repúblicâ Talossán. In English, the name of the State is The Republic of Talossa, citizens of which shall be referred to hereafter as 'Talossans'."
PËR - sure, why not.
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| | Mr. Furxheir, R.M.W. | January 08, 2005 - 07:19 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1 ) Për
2 ) Për
3 ) Austenéu, I pretty much share Miestrâ point of view. I seconded for the amendment to be voted on, because I felt it needed a vote.
4 ) PËR !!
5 ) Për
6 ) Contrâ
7 ) Contrâ
8 ) Për
9 ) Për
And now, a few opening lyrics song by the female lead of the group E-Rotic :
"Fred come to bed, cause my Max had sex with his sexy ex last night. Oooh Fred come to bed, baby I will let your dreams get wet"
"Hey hey hey Fritz Your key fits nicely My body opens to your touch So ring my bell and just entice me I need your lovin' oh so much"
"Oh Nick please not so quick, You know I want it big I wanna feel like in heaven, Just like in heaven"
"Oh, Willy, use a Billy, Don't be silly,Oh, baby, sex is joy, but use a Billy boy"
That's 5 guys ( including Max ). Do you think she a little nyphomaniac,especially considering we can hear her orgasming in every one of her songs ? |
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| | JKK | January 07, 2005 - 23:50 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
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JKK
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1) Contra as written. There's a double negative that screws up the meaning: " No person may not be re-elected to more than two consecutive terms as President." I support the concept and would vote Per on an Amended Amendment.
2) Per.
3) Per.
4) Per.
5) Per.
6) Contra.
7) Contra.
8) Contra.
9) Per.
jkk
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 08, 2005 - 01:15 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | ... I have removed the double negative and recorded your vote on 1) as "për".
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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| | JKK | January 08, 2005 - 03:21 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 08, 2005 - 01:15 |
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | I just wish I'd spotted it sooner; sorry. At any rate, I'll confirm that Per vote here and now so there's no question. I was pretty sure of the intent so I wanted to explain.
jkk
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E-mail: apostate at gte dot net |
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:25 |
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Parent message | | FIRST ROUND OF VOTING OPENS | la garçâ malpadert | January 07, 2005 - 22:13 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ | 1. PËR. Ián's point about two cronies "swapping" the Presidency indefinitely is a good one.
2. PËR. A good clarification.
3. AUSTENÉU. I share some citizens' distrust at the idea of the head of state having a perogative of mercy, since King Ben did his absolute damndest to misuse that right in the Kingdom (yes, I've read the Gruber Report now so I know what went on, and it was sickening). However, I don't think any elected President will have the nerve to intimidate our High Court enough to allow that situation to repeat. Plus, considering that the President doesn't even get to name the Prime Minister in our constitution, I think the head of state is in danger of running out of things to do, considering we don't have any shopping centres to open! However, I do like the idea of the people having the final say over the exercise of executive perogative. So, I'm happy either way.
4. AUSTENÉU. The argument for a relatively smaller Lower House is that it will be easier to find talented Deputies, and that it gives the Upper House more clout. The argument for a relatively large Lower House is that a wider shade of opinion will be represented, and that it gives the Upper House more clout. (Whether you think that the Upper House having more clout is good or bad is a matter of opinion!) I will happily go with whatever the majority decides on this one.
5. PËR. M-P seems to have worked out a good timetable here.
6. CONTRÂ.
7. CONTRÂ.
8. CONTRÂ.
I totally support the length of service restrictions as the best way to reward long service in this community - much more meaningful than handing out medals or titles. It is also the best way to make sure that someone knows what they're doing before being handed the reins of government; and to make sure no ruling clique "parachutes" newbies into top jobs to buy their allegiance. That is a Talossan "tradition" which could far too easily repeat here.
9. CONTRÂ. Unnecessary and pedantic.
Miestrâ Schivâ
"The Republic's Most Articulate Spokeswhatever" - R. B. Madison
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