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Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hJanuary 16, 2005 - 23:34
Why you should all vote CONTRA on Amendments 6, 7, and 8(#995), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 03:26. Viewed 433 times.
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Citizen #22:
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> 1. That Title Two, Article One, Section 6 be amended to read as follows:
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> " No person may be re-elected to more than two consecutive terms as President."
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> (moved by Ián Anglatzarâ; seconded by Martì-Páir Furxhéir.)
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> Contrâ. I have a question: Does this amendment allow for someone to serve his two consecutive terms, but later on serve additional terms in office?

That's what it says. Anything not expressly forbidden is allowed.

> 5. That the Appendix to the Constitution be replaced by the following text:
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> [...]
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> Contrâ: What is meant by "Council"? I assume it means the PGC. If so, let's make codify this specifically.

Of course it means the PGC. What other council do we have? Are you perchance worried that our High Court are a bunch of total dullards? :)

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> 6. That Title Two, Article One, Section 3 be amended as follows:
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> "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be elected the President of the Republic of Talossa."
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> (moved by D. Nanöchfiglheu Vercáriâ; seconded by Chirisch Cavéir.)
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> Për. By no means redundant.

Er, you do realise, don't you, that amendments 6, 7, 8 delete the requirements for length of service before one can be elected to the higher offices of state?

Actually, I think I'd better get out and campaign on this option, because those amendments are becoming scarily close to being lost. I think perhaps people haven't considered what will happen if the higher offices of State are open to any new citizen who hasn't been around long enough to get a "feel" for Talossa. I really don't want to become "just another internet micro". What attracted me to Talossa were the 25 years of continuous history, and for heaven's sake, surely the people who run the country should be people who've been around for part of that history.

In any case, if we vote Per on article 7 I will definitely introduce an amendment for a unicameral parliament, because if the same people are eligible for both Houses there is no reason to have two of them. (And don't talk about provincial representation when we don't even have a consensus on who's in which province!)




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Why you should all vote CONTRA on Amendments 6, 7, and 8la garçâ malpadertJanuary 17, 2005 - 03:26
Justice dal NavâJanuary 29, 2005 - 13:29
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la garçâ malpadertJanuary 17, 2005 - 03:26
I think you mis-read it.(#1005), posted by Justice dal Navâ, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 13:29. Viewed 347 times.
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ		> Er, you do realise, don't you, that amendments 6, 7, 8 delete the requirements for length of service before one can be elected to the higher offices of state?
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> Actually, I think I'd better get out and campaign on this option, because those amendments are becoming scarily close to being lost. I think perhaps people haven't considered what will happen if the higher offices of State are open to any new citizen who hasn't been around long enough to get a "feel" for Talossa. I really don't want to become "just another internet micro". What attracted me to Talossa were the 25 years of continuous history, and for heaven's sake, surely the people who run the country should be people who've been around for part of that history.

What does "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution" mean, then?


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la garçâ malpadertJanuary 29, 2005 - 17:51
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Justice dal NavâJanuary 29, 2005 - 13:29
I think *you* mis-read it.(#1007), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 29, 2005 - 17:51. Viewed 453 times.
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Citizen #22:
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> What does "Any citizen of the Republic not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution" mean, then?

Chris, the amendment deletes the requirements for length of service for those positions. If that's not what you meant, then I strongly suggest you change your votes now! Ask Dieter, that is what he intended.




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A slave begins by demanding justice, and ends by wanting to wear a crown.
D. N. VercáriâJanuary 17, 2005 - 17:27
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la garçâ malpadertJanuary 17, 2005 - 03:26
RE: What about this fine tradition of letting people vote?(#996), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 17:27. Viewed 391 times.
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ		"You may respond to the proposal, stating your consent, concern, or abstention, the reason you feel that way, and offering suggestions. Please discuss only the proposal, not the other responses or non-related matters."

- Rules of Polyphony, The Consensus Process, S. 7

- D. N. Vercáriâ
la garçâ malpadertJanuary 17, 2005 - 17:52
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D. N. VercáriâJanuary 17, 2005 - 17:27
RE: What about this fine tradition of letting people vote?(#997), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 17, 2005 - 17:52. Viewed 430 times.
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Citizen #22:
Miestrâ Schivâ		> "You may respond to the proposal, stating your consent, concern, or abstention, the reason you feel that way, and offering suggestions. Please discuss only the proposal, not the other responses or non-related matters."
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> - Rules of Polyphony, The Consensus Process, S. 7

My mind has changed on many subjects since 2000. :) However, I take your point and have said my last word on this subject.


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