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| RE: The Samson Option | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 04:20 | | la garçâ malpadert | May 22, 2007 - 06:06 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 04:20 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > A less threatening question, yet a question full of suspense may be, whether Ugo is still a member of the MRP. Andy and Jim, who quit the MRP, had already assumed their seats in the CoD before this decision; but Ugo will have to be in the MRP if he wants to replace Andy, at least until he assumes his seat.
But Ugo doesn't have to "assume his seat" to be a Deputy - at least, not right away.The law says:
Where a seat becomes vacant between general elections or by-elections, the candidate to fill the vacancy shall be the next-ranking candidate on the list of the party which vacated the seat, and the Secretary of State shall inform the Túischac'h in writing of the successful candidate.
The Acting SoS, Txec E., informed me last week that Ugo was the next candidate on the list, and therefore Ugo is now a Deputy, and he will be a Deputy until the next election, or until he resigns, or if he stays away for two months. There is no provision in the law as it stands for a Deputy to lose their seat for not turning up when summoned - only if they don't turn up for two whole months can their seat become vacant again.
The more important question is: who will replace Eric? Again:
If there is no such candidate, then the party on whose list that candidate was elected shall nominate a replacement to the Secretary of State, who will then as soon as possible announce a referendum on the following question: "Shall [candidate's name] take up the [name of party's] vacant seat in the Chamber of Deputies?" If the referendum succeeds, then the Secretary of State shall inform the Túischac'h in writing of the successful candidate.
I await official Peculiarist word on who their candidate to replace Eric is. Although for the sake of the sanity of the SoS, the referendum which would be needed before this candidate could take up their seat should wait for after the Presidentials.
> As far as I'm concerned, Ugo has practicaly proven that he is not interested in an MRP membership any longer.
This is a good point, and a potential serious problem with the system. There is no provision to kick someone off your party list "after the fact" in our electoral system. In other jurisdictions there is. Perhaps this is more evidence that our electoral system needs a shakeup.
> What does this practically mean? Presently: Only something that has to be kept in mind. I will not dissolve the CoD immediately, not because I'm leaning towards indecisiveness and not because I am not entitled to do so, but because my term is running out soon and I don't think it is wise to amplify a political crisis while I'm about to pass the august powers of the President of the Republic to a successor. He or she should have a fair chance to take on the office without the burden of an inherited crisis.
A wise choice, if I say so. My interpretation is that *legally* there are four Deputies, but *practically* there are only three until Ugo turns up or until the MRP nominates a candidate to replace Eric and that candidate is approved by referendum. So I stand by my decision to finish the voting on 5RC3 and then prorogue the Chamber until there are at least four active Deputies.
Miestrâ Schivâ
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 08:35 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 22, 2007 - 06:06 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > > As far as I'm concerned, Ugo has practicaly proven that he is not interested in an MRP membership any longer.
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> This is a good point, and a potential serious problem with the system. There is no provision to kick someone off your party list "after the fact" in our electoral system. In other jurisdictions there is. Perhaps this is more evidence that our electoral system needs a shakeup.
Maybe if Deputies switch their party membership it could be taken to a referendum which decides on whether they can keep their seat or resign from the CoD? This might cause some administrative overhead, but it would remain a decision of the elctors if political majorities in Parliament are in a major flux.
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| | President Anglatzarâ | May 22, 2007 - 08:40 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 08:35 |
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President Anglatzarâ
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > > > As far as I'm concerned, Ugo has practicaly proven that he is not interested in an MRP membership any longer.
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> > This is a good point, and a potential serious problem with the system. There is no provision to kick someone off your party list "after the fact" in our electoral system. In other jurisdictions there is. Perhaps this is more evidence that our electoral system needs a shakeup.
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> Maybe if Deputies switch their party membership it could be taken to a referendum which decides on whether they can keep their seat or resign from the CoD?
Even though a deputy is elected to their seat on a party ticket, the seat should belong to the deputy. If a deputy who resigns their membership in a party wants to do "the proper thing" they should resign their seat too, but this should not be forced on them in any way.
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 06:46 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 22, 2007 - 06:06 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | > I await official Peculiarist word on who their candidate to replace Eric is. Although for the sake of the sanity of the SoS, the referendum which would be needed before this candidate could take up their seat should wait for after the Presidentials.
As there are only three MRP members left (Eric, Jan, I), it is obvious that until my term is over Jan is the only possible candidate to replace Eric. I understood that he is not interested in becoming a legislator (that is, a Deputy), but you may ask him yourself.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | May 22, 2007 - 15:32 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 22, 2007 - 06:46 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ |
> As there are only three MRP members left (Eric, Jan, I), it is obvious that until my term is over Jan is the only possible candidate to replace Eric. I understood that he is not interested in becoming a legislator (that is, a Deputy), but you may ask him yourself.
You could nominate someone from outside the party if you wanted.
Miestrâ Schivâ
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| | D. N. Vercáriâ | May 23, 2007 - 06:14 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | May 22, 2007 - 15:32 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #26:
Dieter N Vercáriâ | >
> > As there are only three MRP members left (Eric, Jan, I), it is obvious that until my term is over Jan is the only possible candidate to replace Eric. I understood that he is not interested in becoming a legislator (that is, a Deputy), but you may ask him yourself.
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> You could nominate someone from outside the party if you wanted.
We've been elected for being who we were and what we were. Remember that the static party lists were introduce to avoid that "surprise candidates" would show up inbetween elections. The MRP that has been elected to sit in the CoD ceased to exist, the last remnants of this election are Jim and the absent Ugo.
I understand that any replacement candidate that we'd nominate now would have to go through a referendum; but presently the party isn't in the shape and form that allows for such a nomination.
To repeat the plain truth, the MRP collapsed. Those who didn't explicitly or implicitly quit the MRP are planning some sort of a reorganisation, but possibly not as a political party any more. Anyway said reorganisation is something that will take some time.
All I can say as far as I know is that presently none of the remaining members of the MRP is wanting to become a Deputy, partly for reasons that are not related to Talossa in particular. Of course my party mates and the future me can feel free to prove my words wrong, as without a functioning MRP there is also no party leadership. ;-)
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