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Question regarding the Standing Orders of the CoD, clause 11(#625), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], June 20, 2007 - 16:58. Viewed 379 times.
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Dieter N Vercáriâ		What happened to clause 11 of the Standing Orders? It is not online any more.

11. These rules will have to be accepted by consensus of all factions in the CoD, and they can be amended by a consensus of all factions in the Cod at any time they want.

Did the Chamber abolish this clause, following this clause, and when did that happen?

This is the version that I remember.

This is the version that is now in the Natl. Register of Law

I gess, or more precisely, I hope that either I missed that this clause has been abolished by a vote of the CoD (follwoing said clause), or that the vanishing of clause 11 of the Standing Orders of the CoD just a mistake.
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Question regarding the Standing Orders of the CoD, clause 11D. N. VercáriâJune 20, 2007 - 16:58
la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 02:07
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    		• D. N. VercáriâJune 20, 2007 - 16:58
    You're right - it's a mistake.(#626), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], June 21, 2007 - 02:07. Viewed 319 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		I don't know where Standing Orders 11 went to, but it should certainly be there. This is just another example of severe errors and misprints in the National Register of Law, which I keep complaining about but which don't get fixed...
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    D. N. VercáriâJune 21, 2007 - 03:52
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    la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 02:07
    RE: You're right - it's a mistake.(#627), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], June 21, 2007 - 03:52. Viewed 294 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> I don't know where Standing Orders 11 went to, but it should certainly be there. This is just another example of severe errors and misprints in the National Register of Law, which I keep complaining about but which don't get fixed...

    Here is a proposal for the future (or maybe I have missed that something like this exists already): I'd like to see that there are downloadable .pfd versions of the Constitution and the Federal code somewhere. This would possibly provide us with some error-resistant archive of former instances of our laws, for a situation in which we'd have to reconstruct the present online archives of our legal scripts.

    See what I mean; it took about 2 minutes to create this document (by loading our national webpage into an OpenOffice textprocessing module, exporting it as an .pdf file, and uploading it to my webspace).
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâJune 21, 2007 - 10:42
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    D. N. VercáriâJune 21, 2007 - 03:52
    RE: You're right - it's a mistake.(#628), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], June 21, 2007 - 10:42. Viewed 313 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> Here is a proposal for the future (or maybe I have missed that something like this exists already): I'd like to see that there are downloadable .pfd versions of the Constitution and the Federal code somewhere. This would possibly provide us with some error-resistant archive of former instances of our laws, for a situation in which we'd have to reconstruct the present online archives of our legal scripts.
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    > See what I mean; it took about 2 minutes to create this document (by loading our national webpage into an OpenOffice textprocessing module, exporting it as an .pdf file, and uploading it to my webspace).
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    So you're volunteering then?
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    la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 15:54
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâJune 21, 2007 - 10:42
    RE: You're right - it's a mistake.(#629), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], June 21, 2007 - 15:54. Viewed 329 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> > Here is a proposal for the future (or maybe I have missed that something like this exists already): I'd like to see that there are downloadable .pfd versions of the Constitution and the Federal code somewhere. This would possibly provide us with some error-resistant archive of former instances of our laws, for a situation in which we'd have to reconstruct the present online archives of our legal scripts.

    > So you're volunteering then?

    I should note that making a PDF copy of the Federal Code will have to not only fix all typos with reference to the historical record (for example, that missing half a sentence in the Elections Code 2.7 which makes the part about vacancies in the Chamber a nonsense), but include the three new laws that have been promulgated during the Fifth Chamber.

    Look, if time is easy over the weekend, I'll do it. Dieter should of course do it too, and then the Seneschál should decide whose version looks classiest. :-)

    I should note that I made a PDF copy of the original 2005 Constitution, pre-amendments, so not a big issue to do that again.




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    D. N. VercáriâJune 21, 2007 - 17:04
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    la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 15:54
    RE: You're right - it's a mistake.(#631), posted by D. N. Vercáriâ, [IP Hidden], June 21, 2007 - 17:04. Viewed 289 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> > > Here is a proposal for the future (or maybe I have missed that something like this exists already): I'd like to see that there are downloadable .pfd versions of the Constitution and the Federal code somewhere. This would possibly provide us with some error-resistant archive of former instances of our laws, for a situation in which we'd have to reconstruct the present online archives of our legal scripts.
    >
    > > So you're volunteering then?
    >
    > I should note that making a PDF copy of the Federal Code will have to not only fix all typos with reference to the historical record (for example, that missing half a sentence in the Elections Code 2.7 which makes the part about vacancies in the Chamber a nonsense), but include the three new laws that have been promulgated during the Fifth Chamber.

    As far as I can see it, the Federal Code is split into sections, which always made it difficult to browse it with an average browser, and which will make it difficult to wrap it into one single PDF file at one swoop. Maybe in the long run the web page needs to be reorganized for making it more browser-friendly.

    Anyway, beauty and the lack of typos wouldn't be what we are looking for... it's more about gaining snapshots of our collection of laws that can't be altered afterwards any more. The problem with constantly rewritten databases is that an incidental inaccuracy during an update could kind of rewrite our memories forever.

    > Look, if time is easy over the weekend, I'll do it. Dieter should of course do it too, and then the Seneschál should decide whose version looks classiest. :-)
    >
    > I should note that I made a PDF copy of the original 2005 Constitution, pre-amendments, so not a big issue to do that again.

    It's good to have archives like that.
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâJune 22, 2007 - 14:51
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    D. N. VercáriâJune 21, 2007 - 17:04
    How about(#632), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], June 22, 2007 - 14:51. Viewed 328 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		Every time a new law is passed, as part of the promulgation process, a pdf copy is made-letterhead with squirrels and all, hosted on the website or somewhere. We could put it in an Executive Order, just to make it official.

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    President AnglatzarâJune 22, 2007 - 16:01
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâJune 22, 2007 - 14:51
    RE: How about(#633), posted by President Anglatzarâ, [IP Hidden], June 22, 2007 - 16:01. Viewed 341 times.
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> Every time a new law is passed, as part of the promulgation process, a pdf copy is made-letterhead with squirrels and all, hosted on the website or somewhere. We could put it in an Executive Order, just to make it official.

    I would like that!
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    D. N. VercáriâJune 22, 2007 - 16:32
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> > Every time a new law is passed, as part of the promulgation process, a pdf copy is made-letterhead with squirrels and all, hosted on the website or somewhere. We could put it in an Executive Order, just to make it official.
    >
    > I would like that!

    Incidentally, I just remembered that in Penguinea we had something that was called the Government Gazette (if my memory serves me well), edited and published by Protector Evan Gallagher. I don't remember if it was published monthly, quarterly or irregularly, but it promulgated all laws that had passed the Althing, plus the assent or withheld assent of the Protector.

    Maybe some formal, ceremonial stuff like that could prop up our Republic, giving it some additional kind of dignity that shows that we are more than but a mere "internet group"?
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    Ep Inxheneu CrovâJune 22, 2007 - 17:39
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    D. N. VercáriâJune 22, 2007 - 16:32
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> > > Every time a new law is passed, as part of the promulgation process, a pdf copy is made-letterhead with squirrels and all, hosted on the website or somewhere. We could put it in an Executive Order, just to make it official.
    > >
    > > I would like that!
    >
    > Incidentally, I just remembered that in Penguinea we had something that was called the Government Gazette (if my memory serves me well), edited and published by Protector Evan Gallagher. I don't remember if it was published monthly, quarterly or irregularly, but it promulgated all laws that had passed the Althing, plus the assent or withheld assent of the Protector.
    >
    > Maybe some formal, ceremonial stuff like that could prop up our Republic, giving it some additional kind of dignity that shows that we are more than but a mere "internet group"?
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    >

    Ya know, during the last general election, when I suggested we acquire a seal of state for the President...ah, never mind ;-)
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    la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 16:01
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    la garçâ malpadertJune 21, 2007 - 15:54
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    Dieter N Vercáriâ    		> that missing half a sentence in the Elections Code 2.7 which makes the part about vacancies in the Chamber a nonsense

    I meant "4.7" of course. That'll teach me to give legal opinions from memory.
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