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| More Explanation Please! | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 14:58 | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 15, 2008 - 15:24 |
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Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 14:58 |
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D. N. Vercáriâ
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | > Could you explain this idea a little more?
> I am not of that generation and this does nto quite make sense to me yet.
I think there has been something similar in Penguinea which was called "The Government Gazette" (similar, not the same): A paper that chronologically enumerated the laws that passed the legislation and got the assent (or an withheld assent) of the Protector (sort of a constitutional benevolent dictator with no particular political powers).
The Clark, as I understand those who know more about the pre-revolutionary Talossa than I, is a monthly or fortnightly paper that enumerates laws that are waiting for a vote, briefly describing what they're about. The advantage of this is that no one will have to browse through tons and miles of messages on the CoD and other governmental forums to find out what the legislators are up to. It might also help less active citizens to stay updated about politics in the Republic.
If we could merge this with the Peguinean Government Gazette thang, I would be very much in favour of supporting it.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 15:32 |
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Parent message | | D. N. Vercáriâ | January 15, 2008 - 15:24 |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | If I understand you correctly, this would be great to publish in the Hallway and/or the Mitchel Building.
I am happy to give this a try, assuming that it is more of a public notification document and that is it.
Am I right here?
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 15:23 |
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Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 14:58 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | The Royalist regime still does it the old way (example). Basically, all the laws ready for final vote are bundled into regular journals and all voted on at the same time. In the Republic, this would entail that whenever something was ready for final vote, you would hold it until the next regular publication of the journal, then publish the journal with everything ready for final vote in it, call for votes, and then announce results in the next issue.
Of course, we have a one-week voting period rather than a month so any such journal of our own would have to come out weekly. You could also bundle amendments into the journal as well, if that wouldn't be too confusing.
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 15:47 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 15:23 |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | I just looked at the example that you linked to....
Interesting. Perhaps this can be a function of portion of the Secretary of State's office?
I could put something like this together for us. I could try to make it regular?
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 15:34 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 15:23 |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | So, if I am understanding this correctly...
The CoD would have a set day of the week, say Monday, in which the Túischac’h (or whoever) would publish the list of Proposals that are ready for Final Vote or even new Proposals that are ready for amendment phase?
These would all be published into one collective forum post and then the Deputies would vote on them as a package deal? I am fervently against package deal legislation which is one of the failing of the US government, IMHO.
Or vote on them individually? I am not sure how that would be different than what we are doing now, beyond just having the addition of a summary document?
I apologize to those who are familiar with this. =(
I am thinking that I do not completely understand.
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 15:39 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> The CoD would have a set day of the week, say Monday, in which the Túischac’h (or whoever) would publish the list of Proposals that are ready for Final Vote or even new Proposals that are ready for amendment phase?
Uh-huh.
> These would all be published into one collective forum post
...or styly-looking PDF document.
> and then the Deputies would vote on them as a package deal?
No, each individual proposal in the journal would be voted on separately.
> I am not sure how that would be different than what we are doing now, beyond just having the addition of a summary document?
The main difference is that the voting period would be identical for all the bills in any one journal. We wouldn't have the confusing situation we have at the moment where one bill might begin its voting period two days and eighteen hours into the voting period of a separate bill. Plus, we would have a formal record.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Minister of Immigration
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Founder-President, ZRT - Party of National Unity
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 15:45 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 15:39 |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill | Interesting...
That would aleviate some of the confusion, but would be a bit more work for all involved.
It would also create much more for the Chamber to consider at one time; instead of being able to stagger our thoughts on the legislation as it comes we would have to focus it all at one time.
Hmmmm....
Perhaps this could be as a joint effort from the SoS' office and the Túischac’h?
All this would take would be an amendment to the Standing Orders, right?
Hmmm.. I can get a template put together if you like?. Perhaps by Friday'ish?
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| | la garçâ malpadert | January 15, 2008 - 16:16 |
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Parent message | | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 15:45 |
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la garçâ malpadert
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Citizen #33:
James O'Neill |
> Perhaps this could be as a joint effort from the SoS' office and the Túischac’h?
Perhaps the new SoS and the Tuischac'h should discuss this once the SoS is decided. ;-)
> All this would take would be an amendment to the Standing Orders, right?
Yes.
> Hmmm.. I can get a template put together if you like?. Perhaps by Friday'ish?
Oh, no rush - if you're keen you can do it now, but it's of no urgency, I feel.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Minister of Immigration
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Founder-President, ZRT - Party of National Unity
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
TALOSSA, C’È ASÚNTS SERIÖSEN!
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