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| PROPOSAL. resolution on the future of the civic forums (6) | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 03, 2007 - 17:43 |
| PROPOSAL. resolution on the future of the civic forums(#1771), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], December 03, 2007 - 17:43. Viewed 250 times. |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 03:56) | This Chamber acknowledges the care, skill and hard work that went into the creation of the present Wittenberg forum;
This Chamber, on behalf of the people of the Republic of Talossa, thanks the designers and administrators of this software for their contribution to the history and public life of the Republic;
This Chamber believes that the historical and political importance of the records held in this forum must be preserved for the Talossan people as a whole;
This Chamber recognises however that the Republic presently possesses neither the human not technical resources to maintain this software platform in a manner necessary to ensure its continued function;
Therefore, this Chamber requests that the government take all necessary measures to migrate the civic activities of our Republic to a more stable and manageable discussion platform to ensure continuity and accountability of public communications, and that this be done before 26 December 2007, Foundation Day.
***Comment-this is not an attack on the government, in which I have full confidence-I have been keeping up with the steady progress they have been making, and I applaud it. I only wish I had more time to help. This is why I have presented this proposal in the form of a resolution-non-binding, but I hope refelctive of the opinion of the Chamber.
Simply put, we can no longer expect S:reu Furxheir to take up time better spent on his thriving business, for nothing. I therefore propose that we acknowledge reality and migrate our civic space to a more generic platform like forum "E".
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De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace et la patrie sera sauvée
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| Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 04, 2007 - 07:57 |
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Parent message | | PROPOSAL. resolution on the future of the civic forums | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 03, 2007 - 17:43 |
| WITHDRAWN resolution on the future of the civic forums(#1777), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], December 04, 2007 - 07:57. Viewed 210 times. |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 03:56) | I am satisfied that the government are working on the issue, so I withdraw my resolution for the moment. No point in gilding the lily, Tuischac'h.
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De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace et la patrie sera sauvée
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| | la garçâ malpadert | December 04, 2007 - 04:45 |
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Parent message | | PROPOSAL. resolution on the future of the civic forums | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 03, 2007 - 17:43 |
| COUNTERPROPOSAL: The Wittenberg Transition Act (#1772), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], December 04, 2007 - 04:45. Viewed 355 times. |
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la garçâ malpadert
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29) | Estimats Deputats, I oppose Dp. Crovâ's resolution on the following grounds:
a) I do not share his tender mercies regarding the feelings of the Government, even though I am a member of it.
b) the real decision to change forums should not be made by government decree, nor by law, but by referendum of the people and that alone.
Therefore, I propose:
BE IT RESOLVED by the President and Chamber of Deputies of the Talossan Republic in Parlamînt assembled as follows:
1. The official public forum of the Talossan Republic shall be Wittenberg XIe, located at www.talossaweb.org.
2. This Act shall come into force if and when approved in referendum, as provided in Federal Code III.1.9, the Elections and Referendums Code, in particular Section 5.
Miestrâ Schivâ
Minister of Immigration
Editor, Qator Itrìns
Founder-President, ZRT - Party of National Unity
Chief High Language Geek of the Talossan Republic
TALOSSA, C’È ASÚNTS SERIÖSEN!
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| | Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu | January 15, 2008 - 13:34 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | December 04, 2007 - 04:45 |
| Për (w/ comments)(#1901), posted by Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu, [IP Hidden], January 15, 2008 - 13:34. Viewed 103 times. |
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Túischac’h Txec Ereufighleu
Group: citizens
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(last post: March 12, 2008 - 12:13) | Perhaps, as a companion bill, we should put into law the specific process as to how we will change to new forum software in the future.
Currently there is no law that specifies the process and that at this point is the subject that is causing some dissention here. Let us write the law that will answer the question so that we do not have to have this discussion again.
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| | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 04, 2007 - 07:49 |
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Parent message | | la garçâ malpadert | December 04, 2007 - 04:45 |
| RE: COUNTERPROPOSAL: The Wittenberg Transition Act(#1776), posted by Ep Inxheneu Crovâ, [IP Hidden], December 04, 2007 - 07:49. Viewed 245 times. |
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Ep Inxheneu Crovâ
Group: admins
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(last post: March 13, 2008 - 03:56) | Estimats Deputats
While I appreciate the Deputy's sentiments, I see no utility in a referendum at this point. If we can make a go of this Wittenberg, why move? Its a lot of hassle, from what I understand. If we cannot, then regardless of the result of the referendum we have a problem. The people (50% +1? what turnout?) could potentially chose to remain on a board no active citizen is competent to maintain technically. The question of a referendum assumes that there really is any actual choice in the matter, unless of course there is a super-PHP programmer lurking who wants the job?
I understand why the referendum is important to the Deputy, in that it would be helpful to have a buy-in from a majority, but I honestly think the most citizens who care just want a board that works consistently. If it works really well with lots of bells and whistles, even better. A referendum is not a substitute for the government making a decision-and from the comments of the Seneschal in another thread, this seems to be imminent.
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De l'audace, encore de l'audace, toujours de l'audace et la patrie sera sauvée
Georges Danton
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| | Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h | December 07, 2007 - 12:05 |
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Parent message | | Ep Inxheneu Crovâ | December 04, 2007 - 07:49 |
| RE: COUNTERPROPOSAL: The Wittenberg Transition Act(#1792), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], December 07, 2007 - 12:05. Viewed 210 times. |
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Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h
Group: admins
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(last post: March 14, 2008 - 15:24) | > Estimats Deputats
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> While I appreciate the Deputy's sentiments, I see no utility in a referendum at this point. If we can make a go of this Wittenberg, why move? Its a lot of hassle, from what I understand. If we cannot, then regardless of the result of the referendum we have a problem. The people (50% +1? what turnout?) could potentially chose to remain on a board no active citizen is competent to maintain technically. The question of a referendum assumes that there really is any actual choice in the matter, unless of course there is a super-PHP programmer lurking who wants the job?
In the old Talossa (if memory serves), a change of Wittenberg was done at the discretion of the Wittenberg admin(s) with a lot of input from Ben and other leaders.
In today's Talossa, we need to do something different. I agree with Dp. Shivâ's call for a public referendum to approve a new Wittenberg, but only when the government (who should by rights be handling this sort of thing, anyway) has put together a concrete proposal to send to the people. A bureaucratic hassle, to be sure, but a necessary one to ensure everyone gets their say. After all, this is our civic and public space in which Talossan society does and will continue to function and, hopefully, thrive.
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> I understand why the referendum is important to the Deputy, in that it would be helpful to have a buy-in from a majority, but I honestly think the most citizens who care just want a board that works consistently. If it works really well with lots of bells and whistles, even better. A referendum is not a substitute for the government making a decision-and from the comments of the Seneschal in another thread, this seems to be imminent.
As for the issues with M-P, who has graciously provided the server space for Talossa's disco groups for more than six years, I have to say that the present troubles with Wittenberg do not reflect the reality of the 99.99% reliability I've had with www.oracla.com and www.jeffrags.com, both hosted by cablan.net. Not that Dp. Crovâ is saying anything derogatory... :-) I think the issues spring from the nature of the board itself - a gigantic PHP database with more than thirty-thousand posts spanning a period of almost five (!!) years - the longest-serving Wittenberg of all-time.
More than once, we've had close calls with the system nearly being wiped out in crashes (one time, the backup failed, but M-P was able to recover the original - that is, if my memory serves).
If the possibility exists that we could continue with cablan.net, I would like to do so, but in a non-gratis arrangement. The government could ask for the people to help pay the minimal hosting fees (I don't know how M-P gets away with his prices - very reasonable), and that would be that.
Anyway, I'm rambling now. And I trust Andy and all angels to find for us a board that will work and work well for years to come as Witt X has.
GV
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