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PROPOSAL: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution (Age of Majority) Act(#1135), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 15:18. Viewed 706 times.
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Miestrâ Schivâ		Mr Speaker:

I hereby formally submit the following bill for official publication, formal discussion and possible amendment, under section 2 of the Standing Orders.

I would note that this is exactly the same text I originally brought to this Chamber. Several different amendments have been suggested to this text, but no consensus has been reached. Those who think it is too liberal - and that we will provoke aggression from other nations for interfering with children unless we keep the under-18s away from formal citizenship - are almost exactly balanced by those who think it is too draconian - and that any restriction on allowing 14 year olds to participate in Talossa could fatally wound this Republic. Therefore, I am presenting this "middle way" bill as it is, and heartily encourage anyone who wants to see something different to present an amendment for debate.

BE IT ENACTED by the Parlamint and people of the Talossan Republic that:

1.The Constitution of the Republic, I.2.5, shall be amended to read:

All those citizens of the Republic of fourteen full calendar years of age or older (hereafter known as “the electors of Talossa”) shall be entitled to vote in any elections and referendums authorised by the Constitutions and Laws of the Republic.

2.The Constitution of the Republic, II.1.3, shall be amended to read:

Every Talossan citizen of eighteen full calendar years of age or older who has fulfilled one or more of the following criteria is eligible for election as President of the Republic:
a.He or she must have been a Talossan citizen for a total of at least three years, or:
b.He or she must have served as a Member of either house of Parlamînt for a total of at least two years, or:
c.He or she must have served for a total of at least one year as any of the following: Seneschál, a Minister, Secretary of State, Mençei, Túischac'h or Justice of the High Court.

3.The Constitution of the Republic, II.3.3, shall be amended to read:

Subject to the Standing Orders of the Chamber of Deputies, any elector of the Republic of eighteen full calendar years of age or older not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be chosen as Seneschál or as a Minister.

4.The Constitution of the Republic, II.3.14, shall be amended to read:

The Secretary of State is a civil official of the Republic. The Secretary of State shall be nominated by the President and confirmed in office by a 2/3 majority of a joint session of Parlamînt. He or she shall shall be of eighteen full calendar years of age or older and not be a member of Parlamînt, the Government or the High Court.

5. The Constitution of the Republic, II.4.5, shall be amended to read:

The High Court Justices shall be nominated by the President and confirmed in office by a 2/3 majority of a joint session of Parlamînt. Every High Court Justice shall be of eighteen full calendar years of age or older and have been a Talossan citizen for at least a year. No High Court Justice shall at the same time be a member of Parlamînt or of the Government.





Miestrâ Schivâ

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PROPOSAL: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution (Age of Majority) Actla garçâ malpadertJanuary 31, 2007 - 15:18
E.S. BörnatfiglheuJanuary 31, 2007 - 20:50
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  • PROPOSAL: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution (Age of Majority) Act
    		• la garçâ malpadertJanuary 31, 2007 - 15:18
    AMMENDMENT: Allowance for minor, non fiscal positions(#1145), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 20:50. Viewed 405 times.
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    Citizen #22:
    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Esteemed Speaker,

    I hereby propose that section 3 of the proposed constitutional amendment be amended in the following manner:

    3.The Constitution of the Republic, II.3.3, shall be amended to read:

    Subject to the Standing Orders of the Chamber of Deputies, any elector of the Republic of eighteen full calendar years of age or older not otherwise disqualified by this Constitution may be chosen as Seneschál.

    ---END AMENDMENT---

    I feel that a minor could serve the Republic well in non fiscal capacities, such as culture or immigration, if they are intelligent and enthusiastic. The people can properly penalize a party which would appoint a Finance minister incapable of doing the job, through their own fault or not.

    Cheers,

    Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Tanaïschteu
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
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    E.S. BörnatfiglheuJanuary 31, 2007 - 20:50
    VOTING ON AMENDMENT: Allowance for minor, non fiscal positions(#1168), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], February 09, 2007 - 22:41. Viewed 414 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Voting on this amendment shall begin immediately and shall conclude at 23:59 Central on Friday 16 February 2007.

    The original of the proposed amendment may be had via href="http://www.talossaonline.com/30.1135.0.html">http://www.talossaonline.com/30.1135.0.html

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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 17, 2007 - 00:28
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
    *prod* *prod*(#1178), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 17, 2007 - 00:28. Viewed 373 times.
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    Citizen #22:
    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Mr Speaker:

    Just making *absolutely* sure that we are going to have a final vote on the Tenth Amendment Act sometime in the very near future, now that this amendment to it has passed.


    Miestrâ Schivâ

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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 18, 2007 - 07:01
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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 17, 2007 - 00:28
    Patience, patience...(#1180), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], February 18, 2007 - 07:01. Viewed 349 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Talossa was not built in a day. ;-)

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    Gjermund HigraffFebruary 13, 2007 - 16:49
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
    Për(#1176), posted by Gjermund Higraff, [IP Hidden], February 13, 2007 - 16:49. Viewed 390 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		.
    E.S. BörnatfiglheuFebruary 13, 2007 - 11:05
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
    Për(#1175), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], February 13, 2007 - 11:05. Viewed 367 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		n/t
    Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Tanaïschteu
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    President AnglatzarâFebruary 13, 2007 - 04:06
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
    Për(#1174), posted by President Anglatzarâ, [IP Hidden], February 13, 2007 - 04:06. Viewed 397 times.
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    Citizen #22:
    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Lång väg gångar den vise,
    i ottan vandrar med ro hans fot.
    den sent vakne får städse hasta,
    ränner otänkt till råds och blodhugg.

    Stjärnorna ser jag samman skrida,
    det femte skeppet stävar mot strand.
    Bogarna badar, sköljes i manblod,
    före detta fyra är farna.

    Stjärnornas såplats skall sökas av många,
    få skall finna en fägrande framtid.
    Törstiga härar som tårar hopas
    där havets stenar på solstrand smälter.

    Gudarnas bann är gånget till ända,
    mörker föder forntida manhär.
    Ruttnade riken ömkligen rasar,
    falska gudafäder faller.

    Blommor vissnar, bladverk vittrar,
    ur detta spirar späda skotten.
    Den gamla blir gyttja, gångar i graven,
    gräslig ruttnad göder hon ungroten.

    Vargar flockas vid rosens vimplar,
    ofärd brygges av flytande jorden.
    Marken blöder blodig makt,
    men vätskor grånar i händer blå.

    Konung ser jag komma för segel,
    hans anlet må ej någon skåda.
    Dunklets söner rider på skummet,
    åldrig ådring beslingar åran.

    Sönderslitna navet, svart som natten
    fogar till enfald ekrarna fyra.
    Vitt är det vordet att vända hjulet,
    rullar tungt över dagar som randas

    Mörkerman ser jag mäktig stånda
    gräsligt fram ur gravens grotterum.
    Ve den stad där vaggan stod,
    djupen må dess murar sluka.

    Anletet känner den bane som kommer,
    svärdet bidar i svaga fingrar.
    Lik lansetten glider ljudlös
    spetsig ramm mot hjärterum.
    --
    Ils sont fous, les talossains. *toc toc toc*
    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 12, 2007 - 23:29
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Mr Speaker:

    I support what the esteemed MRP deputy is trying to do with this bill, within limits. Assuming that this amendment (and the whole Tenth Amendment bill) passes, the ZRT will introduce a bill to the next legislature mandating a higher maximum age level for the Finance Ministry in particular.


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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 12, 2007 - 21:53
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:41
    In case the Tanaïschteu is getting nervous...(#1171), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 12, 2007 - 21:53. Viewed 359 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		...the ZRT caucus is currently debating this amendment. We should be able to submit our votes on it within 24 hours.




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    E.S. BörnatfiglheuFebruary 12, 2007 - 22:23
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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 12, 2007 - 21:53
    RE: In case the Tanaïschteu is getting nervous...(#1172), posted by E.S. Börnatfiglheu, [IP Hidden], February 12, 2007 - 22:23. Viewed 364 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Mr. Speaker,

    not in the least bit nervous. Contrary to what might might be perceived at times, I have faith that the ZRT will do what they perceive to be best for the Republic. Just glancing around for the ballot box on this amendment.

    Cheers,
    Eiric Börnatfiglheu, Tanaïschteu
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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 08, 2007 - 04:50
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    E.S. BörnatfiglheuJanuary 31, 2007 - 20:50
    Not that I particularly like prodding GV, but...(#1164), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 08, 2007 - 04:50. Viewed 364 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		...this amendment is ready to be voted on now.


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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hFebruary 09, 2007 - 22:34
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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 08, 2007 - 04:50
    RE: Not that I particularly like prodding GV, but...(#1166), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], February 09, 2007 - 22:34. Viewed 398 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		If I am such a lax presider over our little soirées, Miestrâ, then why don't you become Speaker next time 'round? ;-)

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    la garçâ malpadertFebruary 09, 2007 - 23:43
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    RE: Not that I particularly like prodding GV, but...(#1169), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], February 09, 2007 - 23:43. Viewed 404 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> If I am such a lax presider over our little soirées, Miestrâ, then why don't you become Speaker next time 'round? ;-)

    1) Separation of powers. The Speaker can't be a member of the Government.
    2) I did that job for a billion years in Penguinea.


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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hJanuary 31, 2007 - 17:34
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  • PROPOSAL: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution (Age of Majority) Act
    		• la garçâ malpadertJanuary 31, 2007 - 15:18
    Për(#1142), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 17:34. Viewed 379 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		This bill addresses one very important issue: people holding the future purse-strings of the Republic being of legal age to enter into legal contracts, agreements, etc.

    In coming to terms with the issue of minors in Talossa and how they can best be served while serving the best-interests of the Republic in every way possible, this proposal as it stands right now is a good start and has my full support without need of amendment.

    As far as the broader potential legal implications spoken of by Justice Verbotten and myself go, this bill does not do enough to satisfy my concerns. However, I see no need in not supporting what Dp. Schivâ has put on the table so far.

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    la garçâ malpadertJanuary 31, 2007 - 17:56
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    RE: Për(#1144), posted by la garçâ malpadert, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 17:56. Viewed 349 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Mr Speaker:

    > As far as the broader potential legal implications spoken of by Justice Verbotten and myself go, this bill does not do enough to satisfy my concerns.

    I would like to heartily recommend, then, that the Blue Wave deputy should draft and propose an amendment to this bill that *would* satisfy his concerns, so that these issues may be properly debated.




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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hJanuary 31, 2007 - 17:19
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  • PROPOSAL: The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution (Age of Majority) Act
    		• la garçâ malpadertJanuary 31, 2007 - 15:18
    AMENDMENT PHASE: 31 January until 23:59:59 Central on Tuesday 6 February 2007(#1138), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 17:19. Viewed 370 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		Pursuant to Sections 2 and 3 of the Standing Orders, Dp. Schivâ's original proposal text shall constitute its official publication by the Speaker.

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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hJanuary 31, 2007 - 17:22
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    Gödafrïeu Válcadác’hJanuary 31, 2007 - 17:19
    REVISED AMENDMENT PHASE: 31 January until 23:59:59 Central on Wednesday 7 Februa...(#1140), posted by Gödafrïeu Válcadác’h, [IP Hidden], January 31, 2007 - 17:22. Viewed 364 times.
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		I want to give the Chamber the full seven days for amendments as stipulated in the Standing Orders.

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