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Miestrâ Schivâ		Estimat Prüm Citaxhién és oðreux Ministreux:

We need to put our heads together over getting ID cards on the road. Simply put, here are the problems:

- all I have at the moment is a cheap colour printer and the template which was established by law a year or so ago. I don't even have access to a laminator. If people want ID cards now, they will be pretty crappy looking.
- Deet was talking a while back about designing a "back" for the cards.
- if these are going to be photo ID, then people had better start sending in their photos!!!
- ID cards are supposed to be the responsibility of the SoS anyway, if I remember the law correctly.

So, let's try to get our priorities in order:

1. A decision on whether we are going to have a "back" for the ID cards or not - and other questions around whether the current template is still appropriate.
2. A decision on who can actually get real good quality laminated cards produced, and whether we want to ask the Chamber for a levy on citizens to pay for them.



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ID Cards - a big priorityla garçâ malpadertOctober 28, 2007 - 00:55
E.S. BörnatfiglheuNovember 26, 2007 - 11:23
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    		• la garçâ malpadertOctober 28, 2007 - 00:55
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		If we're looking for somewhere to get the cards printed, Savannah has a number of excellent print shops due to the presence of the art college. There is a place directly next to my office that is willing to print them on plastic, similar to "credit card" stock.


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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> If we're looking for somewhere to get the cards printed, Savannah has a number of excellent print shops due to the presence of the art college. There is a place directly next to my office that is willing to print them on plastic, similar to "credit card" stock.

    Lovely! I think it's time to get to it and stop talking.
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 26, 2007 - 12:38
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> > If we're looking for somewhere to get the cards printed, Savannah has a number of excellent print shops due to the presence of the art college. There is a place directly next to my office that is willing to print them on plastic, similar to "credit card" stock.
    >
    > Lovely! I think it's time to get to it and stop talking.

    Unfortunately, Mr President, we still have to make a decision what backside design we want to use.

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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 27, 2007 - 04:44
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> > > If we're looking for somewhere to get the cards printed, Savannah has a number of excellent print shops due to the presence of the art college. There is a place directly next to my office that is willing to print them on plastic, similar to "credit card" stock.
    > >
    > > Lovely! I think it's time to get to it and stop talking.
    >
    > Unfortunately, Mr President, we still have to make a decision what backside design we want to use.

    Can I assume that silence is endorsement?

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    la garçâ malpadertNovember 27, 2007 - 05:00
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    Miestrâ Schivâ
    > > Unfortunately, Mr President, we still have to make a decision what backside design we want to use.
    >
    > Can I assume that silence is endorsement?

    Under the legislation, the design of the card can only be changed by XO. So the President and the Seneschál should establish the design and make it happen rather than just talk about it.

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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 27, 2007 - 05:21
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		>
    > > > Unfortunately, Mr President, we still have to make a decision what backside design we want to use.
    > >
    > > Can I assume that silence is endorsement?
    >
    > Under the legislation, the design of the card can only be changed by XO. So the President and the Seneschál should establish the design and make it happen rather than just talk about it.

    Is the device in your hand a whip, Miestrâ? ;-)

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    President AnglatzarâNovember 27, 2007 - 07:54
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		What? You're trying to make me work? ME work? ME?!?

    Impudent youngsters.
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 27, 2007 - 11:48
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> What? You're trying to make me work? ME work? ME?!?
    >
    > Impudent youngsters.

    We've been elected into offices, not into drudgery, haven't we?

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    President AnglatzarâNovember 27, 2007 - 11:52
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		That being said, can we get hold of someone with an artistic bone in their body? Or didn't Chris have a suggestion for the flipside as well?
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 27, 2007 - 15:09
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> That being said, can we get hold of someone with an artistic bone in their body? Or didn't Chris have a suggestion for the flipside as well?

    During an informal AIM talk Chris told me that he would come up with a brandnew design if we asked him for his assistance. But a) a former government already decided on one particular front side design which is displayed in the Federal Code, and b) I proposed a simple flip side solution somewhere in this thread.

    So we could start handing out our ID cards almost immediately, given that Eiric could take everything that is needed to the print shop in his neighbourhood, as mentioned somewhere above in these threads.

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    President AnglatzarâNovember 27, 2007 - 16:09
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> > That being said, can we get hold of someone with an artistic bone in their body? Or didn't Chris have a suggestion for the flipside as well?
    >
    > During an informal AIM talk Chris told me that he would come up with a brandnew design if we asked him for his assistance. But a) a former government already decided on one particular front side design which is displayed in the Federal Code, and b) I proposed a simple flip side solution somewhere in this thread.

    I'm willing to accept a simple green flipside with no text or just the text "La Republicâ Talossán".
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 27, 2007 - 17:23
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> > > That being said, can we get hold of someone with an artistic bone in their body? Or didn't Chris have a suggestion for the flipside as well?
    > >
    > > During an informal AIM talk Chris told me that he would come up with a brandnew design if we asked him for his assistance. But a) a former government already decided on one particular front side design which is displayed in the Federal Code, and b) I proposed a simple flip side solution somewhere in this thread.
    >
    > I'm willing to accept a simple green flipside with no text or just the text "La Republicâ Talossán".

    Well, I would wish to have the picture of the Mitchell Building on it (maybe a better rendition than in my sketch), but you are the President. You decide.

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    President AnglatzarâNovember 28, 2007 - 03:03
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> Well, I would wish to have the picture of the Mitchell Building on it (maybe a better rendition than in my sketch), but you are the President. You decide.

    Point me to it. I know I saw it, but I get lost in the threads.
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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 28, 2007 - 03:27
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		http://www.talossaonline.com/31.79.0.html

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    D. N. VercáriâOctober 28, 2007 - 06:17
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> Estimat Prüm Citaxhién és oðreux Ministreux:
    >
    > We need to put our heads together over getting ID cards on the road. Simply put, here are the problems:
    >
    > - all I have at the moment is a cheap colour printer and the template which was established by law a year or so ago. I don't even have access to a laminator. If people want ID cards now, they will be pretty crappy looking.
    > - Deet was talking a while back about designing a "back" for the cards.
    > - if these are going to be photo ID, then people had better start sending in their photos!!!
    > - ID cards are supposed to be the responsibility of the SoS anyway, if I remember the law correctly.
    >
    > So, let's try to get our priorities in order:
    >
    > 1. A decision on whether we are going to have a "back" for the ID cards or not - and other questions around whether the current template is still appropriate.
    > 2. A decision on who can actually get real good quality laminated cards produced, and whether we want to ask the Chamber for a levy on citizens to pay for them.

    As for the design, last time I talked to Justice Gruber I understood that he would volunteer to come up with a design for either back and front side of the ID card (the latter only, if we want to rearrange the design that was proposed a while ago. Btw., the design can be established by an XO in no time). A quick decision might be required for the size of the card (credit card or A7 - German / European (?) ID card? An A-something format may be handy if we want to laminate the cards).

    For laminating the cards we should provide the SoS with a laminator and lamination foils. I saw that A4-size laminators cost something between roughly 15 to 30 EUR. Foils are cheap, but the smallest format I found online was A6 (which is, e.g., European picture postcard size); but certainly there will also be smaller sizes like A7 or A8 for e.g. business cards.

    (for those who don't know this A something industrial standard: A4 is the standard letter format in many if not most countries. When doubling the format, the counter goes down, so twice A4 is called A3. Folding A4 in the middle gives you A5, the half of A5 is A6 and so on)

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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 23, 2007 - 03:41
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    Miestrâ Schivâ

    Acceptable?

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    President AnglatzarâNovember 28, 2007 - 04:27
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		>
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    > Acceptable?

    Ah, it was down here. That's why I couldn't find it. The picture is OK, I think, although we'll have to find out how it prints. The design is also OK. The text, though. If we keep the current sugestion, it should be This ID card is the property of the Republic of Talossa. Note the definite article that your version is missing. But I wonder whether a simple Repúblicâ da Talossa isn't better?
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    Miestrâ Schivâ    		> >
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    > > Acceptable?
    >
    > Ah, it was down here. That's why I couldn't find it. The picture is OK, I think, although we'll have to find out how it prints. The design is also OK. The text, though. If we keep the current sugestion, it should be This ID card is the property of the Republic of Talossa. Note the definite article that your version is missing. But I wonder whether a simple Repúblicâ da Talossa isn't better?

    I leave this choice to you, Mr. President. The Federal Republic of Germany is stating in its passports that these are the property of said Federal Republic. The reason for this may be that thus foreign authorities may hesitate to confiscate the passports of travelling Germans, because the Federal Republic may get upset if its state property is confiscated. As the Republic of Talossa can hardly threaten foreign regimes with severe consequences, in our case a simple "Republic of Talossa" might do. Or, non-verbal, we may insert a picture of our flag into the upper right corner of the backside.

    As for the "missing" article, it's a direct translation from German: Dieser Personalausweis ist Eigentum der Republik Talossa. Is an article required in English in this case? In German, it is kind of an "adverbial use" of the noun Eigentum (Property).

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    la garçâ malpadertNovember 28, 2007 - 05:12
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    > As for the "missing" article, it's a direct translation from German: Dieser Personalausweis ist Eigentum der Republik Talossa. Is an article required in English in this case?

    A native Anglophone says: "Yes".

    Also, I do like the idea of the "property" line, but we have to make sure it is nice and clear to read. Let us remember that many people are green/red colourblind, in which case the text in the font suggested by Deet will be a nightmare to read. But that's just picky, I suppose.



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    D. N. VercáriâNovember 28, 2007 - 05:25
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    Better?

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