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Spelling reforms?(#266), posted by Vitz Açafat, [IP Hidden], May 10, 2007 - 14:52. Viewed 665 times.
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(last post: May 12, 2007 - 17:53)		I think it is appropriate if we have a discussion here about the spelling reforms being proposed in the Kingdom. At first it appeared that these reforms were going to be accepted there unanimously, but today I notice a few threads taking a contrary opinion. Once a 'federation' is in place, I hope the CUG will also ask our opinion. So what do we think?

I, personally, am against it. We want Talossan to be a real language, and real languages don't generally have such wholesale changes (except German, sorry Deets). S:reu Woolley makes the point that the diacritics are sometimes just tacked on, serving no purpose other than giving the youthful founders of the language a giggle, and I think he is probably right. But, as is pointed out elsewhere, this is the language we have inherited, for better or worse. I would prefer for changes to happen slowly and naturally.

Perhaps I've been living in England too long. Here changes are generally avoided until it is impossible to avoid them any further (for an example, please see our House of Lords, which just now seems to be about to chuck out the remaining hereditary peers). I am not English, but I think this is the attitude we should take.

What do you all think?

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Spelling reforms?Vitz AçafatMay 10, 2007 - 14:52
la garçâ malpadertMay 11, 2007 - 02:26
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    (last post: March 13, 2008 - 16:29)    		> I think it is appropriate if we have a discussion here about the spelling reforms being proposed in the Kingdom. At first it appeared that these reforms were going to be accepted there unanimously, but today I notice a few threads taking a contrary opinion. Once a 'federation' is in place, I hope the CUG will also ask our opinion. So what do we think?

    Can someone post a link to the suggested CÚG-Regipäts reforms, for those of us who don't read KingdomWitt on a regular basis?

    I agree with our Minister of Culture that our own proposed spelling reforms, as suggested by s:reu Gariçéir in 2005, should be seriously looked at first. We didn't adopt them back then because we were waiting for the Kingdom to start working with us on the language and we weren't going to do anything unilateral. I hope the CÚG-Regipäts will show us the same consideration.

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    Ián TxaglhMay 11, 2007 - 07:02
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    la garçâ malpadertMay 11, 2007 - 02:26
    link to public discussion to ortho reform in Kingdom(#273), posted by Ián Txaglh, [IP Hidden], May 11, 2007 - 07:02. Viewed 570 times.
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    (last post: March 24, 2008 - 14:06)    		the public (non-linguistic) discussion on the orthography reform proposed by John W. of Kingdom is HERE for yr kind attention.
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    Ián TxaglhMay 11, 2007 - 04:01
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    link to ortho reform proposed by John Woolley(#272), posted by Ián Txaglh, [IP Hidden], May 11, 2007 - 04:01. Viewed 635 times.
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    (last post: March 24, 2008 - 14:06)    		the proposal and initial discussion on the orthography reform proposed by John W. of Kingdom is HERE for yr kind attention.
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    Ián TxaglhMay 11, 2007 - 02:01
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    (last post: March 24, 2008 - 14:06)    		> I think it is appropriate if we have a discussion here about the spelling reforms being proposed in the Kingdom.

    this should be the work for the pan-talossan language organisation, cos l'icastola already has its own proposal on ortho reform based on s:reu Tomas G. initiative.
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    Ián TxaglhMay 11, 2007 - 01:59
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    (last post: March 24, 2008 - 14:06)    		> We want Talossan to be a real language, and real languages don't generally have such wholesale changes (except German, sorry Deets).

    my mother tongue has even an institution which may legaly issue some wholesome changes and it does it time to time (in some 20-50 years period) to modernise the literary language :)
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    D. N. VercáriâMay 11, 2007 - 17:50
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    (last post: March 15, 2008 - 16:51)    		> > We want Talossan to be a real language, and real languages don't generally have such wholesale changes (except German, sorry Deets).
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    > my mother tongue has even an institution which may legaly issue some wholesome changes and it does it time to time (in some 20-50 years period) to modernise the literary language :)

    Those changes in the orthography of German don't happen to occur from one day to the other. I takes eons of debates amongst delegates from all countries with resident populations of native speakers of German, and then local cultural authorities have their say... this is, in Germany, 16 state governments that are autonomous in cultural affairs. ;-)
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    (last post: March 14, 2008 - 07:21)    		Some simplifications might be a help. After all, anything that makes the language easier to learn without sapping its flavour is a good thing. But I am opposed to changes that seem designed to bringing it into line with either Italian or English ortography - that's just stupid. However, getting rid of diacritics that serve no phonetic or syntactic function, but are there because Ben wanted the language to be c00l once upon a time when he was a teenager, yes, that sounds reasonable.

    So, to sum up, yes, let's have a long good look and see if there are adjustments to be made. Drastic changes, no, no. Especially not if they make it look more like a generic Romance language, like Siervicül says.
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